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Realistically, I'd like a second party. I can hardly tell the difference between the ones we have now.

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There are (maybe) 10 states where your vote actually matters in Presidential elections, and New Jersey isn't one of them. There may be some NJ state and congressional districts that aren't so gerrymandered that it doesn't matter but I don't live in one.

 

After what happened to Romney last year, it's obvious the Republicans need an aggressive A-hole for the #2 spot. Whoever the Republicans nominate can look "Presidential". Christie can look/sound/act like Tony Soprano. He thinks he's going for the #1 spot, but has about as much chance of it in 2016 as Cuomo has on the Democrat ticket after his 7-round limit.

 

In NJ, he needs to walk a fine line between not scaring the soccer moms and Volvo Republicans enough to lose in November, AND he needs avoid having Louisiana, Texas and Florida Republican primary voters going nuts at the thought of him as the #2 guy on the ticket in 2016.

 

As he's a successful lawyer and successful politician, I'm sure that he can do it.

 

He's younger than he looks. He'll be 54 in 2016 and still only 62 in 2024. Younger than Hillary. I doubt he wants to retire to become president of a second-tier New Jersey liberal arts college at the age of 55 when he leaves the NJ governor's job in 2018.

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So did Christie actually announce anything or what?

 

I read the first page or two and all I saw was people arguing about Christie2016. :rofl:

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Complain all you want and start all of the third, fourth and fifth parties you want. You are not going to do any better than Christie in NJ. Can you name a single NJ governor in recent or not so recent memory who was pro-gun, or even better on guns than Christie? Now, can you name any NJ governors who were worse on guns than Christie? Corzine, McGreevy, Whitman, Florio .... If any of these people were in office now, we'd be facing the almost certain passage of all of the Assembly anti-gun measures, if not more.

 

I'm no saying any of us should be happy about a .50 cal ban or additional FID hassles, nor am I saying that we shouldn't vocally oppose them. But a does of realism is called for. Christie did an impressive job of walking a tightrope (insert joke of choice here). Most of the headlines I've seen tout his new anti-violence package and talk about him "strengthening NJ's already strict gun laws" when in reality we all know his proposals amount to virtually no meaningful change at all. He's deflected much of the criticism from the rabidly anti-gun Democrats in this state by appearing to take action (and he actually did take some sensible action on the mental health front) while proposing a change to NJ law that will impact a sum total of the roughly 10 people in the state who own Barrett rifles.

 

You don't like Christie? He's not Conservative enough for you? Think he's a "RINO". Fine, move to Texas.

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while proposing a change to NJ law that will impact a sum total of the roughly 10 people in the state who own Barrett rifles.

 

This quote should be tattooed on the forehead of everyone when their .308 rifles are taken from them in two years. A lot more than 10 of us own 50BMG rifles, and since they are pretty much alone in never having been used in a crime in NJ, you are really putting your own rights in danger when you throw us under the bus.

 

Rather than 50BMG rifles, let's ban 45cal handguns. No crimes have been committed with 50BMGs, can you say that for your cop-killer 45's?

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Adjectives I caught about the Barrett .50 BMG ban were "new" and "semiautomatic". I didn't hear exactly what Christie said.

 

I don't know if this means bolt-action Barrett .50 BMGs would be OK and current owners would be OK (as with NJ's original AWB registration), or if it means the reporter or editor (or even Christie) was embellishing it with adjectives instead of saying "big, black, ugly, scary" Barrett.

 

I don't support it in the least, but it's less painful for me personally than saying "Governor Buono".

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This quote should be tattooed on the forehead of everyone when their .308 rifles are taken from them in two years. A lot more than 10 of us own 50BMG rifles, and since they are pretty much alone in never having been used in a crime in NJ, you are really putting your own rights in danger when you throw us under the bus.

 

Rather than 50BMG rifles, let's ban 45cal handguns. No crimes have been committed with 50BMGs, can you say that for your cop-killer 45's?

 

 

 

 

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Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

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This quote should be tattooed on the forehead of everyone when their .308 rifles are taken from them in two years. A lot more than 10 of us own 50BMG rifles, and since they are pretty much alone in never having been used in a crime in NJ, you are really putting your own rights in danger when you throw us under the bus.

 

Rather than 50BMG rifles, let's ban 45cal handguns. No crimes have been committed with 50BMGs, can you say that for your cop-killer 45's?

 

Did I say I thought a ban on 50BMG is ok or justified because it only affects a few people? What I said was Christie chose the one proposed bill that will impact the fewest people which was tactically a smart move on his part. True, he could have proposed no changes at all, but I am assuming that he is under enormous pressure to do something and I'm guessing he chose the ,50BMG because it will impact very few people and has a lot of BS sensationalist propaganda tied to it. Plus, isn't his proposal to ban future sales but not to confiscate or render guns that are already owned illegal?

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Did I say I thought a ban on 50BMG is ok or justified because it only affects a few people?

 

I think that this is akin to banning possession of unicorn tears. I've been shooting for 25 or so years and I don't know anybody who has a .50 Cal Barrett. This may be a bone that is thrown to the media and uninformed. This is almost like banning Ferraris from Civilian ownership in NJ. It's a lot easier to support something when it doesn't effect you.

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I don't even understand the debate here. Why is it ok, in anyone's mind, to ban firearm that haven't been used in any crimes? Why is it ok to ban any firearm? Don't we all talk about how it's just another domino to fall? There is NO justification to banning. NONE.

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I don't even understand the debate here. Why is it ok, in anyone's mind, to ban firearm that haven't been used in any crimes? Why is it ok to ban any firearm? Don't we all talk about how it's just another domino to fall? There is NO justification to banning. NONE.

 

I'll try again. I agree - it's not ok to ban .50 cal and doing so will not save a single life or prevent a single crime. However, as for "justification", from Christie's point of view the "justification" is that doing nothing was not an option. He needed to throw the antis a bone and do so in a way so that it looked like he was doing something, while in reality doing as little as possible. Many of you are purists/absolutists and will slam Christie and say you will never vote for him because he proposed this ban. Fine, you are certainly entitled to that opinion. For me, while we'd all like to have RIck Perry as our Governor and Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham as our Senators, we live in NJ and I'll take Christie over Buono or another Corzine any day.

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Plus, isn't his proposal to ban future sales but not to confiscate or render guns that are already owned illegal?

 

The devil is in the details.

 

Current legislation in Assembly and Senate ban them as destructive devices. No grandfathering.

 

If they do what NY State did with 'assault weapons', existing owners will be forces to register with serial numbers. Such legislation could test the waters for broader constitutional challenges.

 

According to Christie's words, he wants to ban future sale. Such legislation would focus on sales in NJ, but have no jurisdiction on out of state sales. Drive out of stare and buy one.

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The bottom line is we are slipping a little further down the 2A hole in the people's republic. Another "well it could have been worse" situation. Truth is Christie could veto all of these laws and it would do little to effect his popularity because most people in NJ aren't that concerned with NJ firearm laws. Much more pressing issues in the publics eye. When the firearm you posses is the one they want to ban next then you'll think they went too far.

 

Only a matter of time.....

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The bottom line is we are slipping a little further down the 2A hole in the people's republic. Another "well it could have been worse" situation. Truth is Christie could veto all of these laws and it would do little to effect his popularity because most people in NJ aren't that concerned with NJ firearm laws. Much more pressing issues in the publics eye. When the firearm you posses is the one they want to ban next then you'll think they went too far.

 

Only a matter of time.....

 

This pretty much. I think he figures that if he didn't do anything that the left would hammer him and lie, saying things like, "Christie supports the slaughter of innocent children" etc.

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Does anyone know when the text of the Senate bills will be released? I find it disturbing that they're supposed to have hearings on the bills next Tuesday and we haven't even had a chance to review them.

 

check out the NJ Legislature site to view them:

 

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/bills/BillsBySubject.asp

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when you open them up you will see the status and any reprints

 

for example in Bill A3659

 

1/14/2013 Introduced, Referred to Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee

2/14/2013 Reported out of Assembly Committee, 2nd Reading

2/14/2013 Assembly Floor Amendment Passed (Barnes)

2/21/2013 Passed by the Assembly (46-29-0)

2/26/2013 Received in the Senate, Referred to Senate Law and Public Safety Committee

 

the last entry shows it was received by the senate

 

below you can see the final reprint that was sumbited

 

 

Introduced - 9 pages PDF Format HTML Format

Statement - ALP 2/13/13 - 2 pages PDF Format HTML Format

Floor Statement - Assembly 2/14/13 - 1 pages PDF Format HTML Format

Reprint - 8 pages PDF Format HTML Format

Fiscal Estimate - 2/28/13; 1R - 3 pages PDF Format HTML Format

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when you open them up you will see the status and any reprints

 

for example in Bill A3659

 

1/14/2013 Introduced, Referred to Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee

2/14/2013 Reported out of Assembly Committee, 2nd Reading

2/14/2013 Assembly Floor Amendment Passed (Barnes)

2/21/2013 Passed by the Assembly (46-29-0)

2/26/2013 Received in the Senate, Referred to Senate Law and Public Safety Committee

 

the last entry shows it was received by the senate

 

below you can see the final reprint that was sumbited

 

 

Introduced - 9 pages PDF Format HTML Format

Statement - ALP 2/13/13 - 2 pages PDF Format HTML Format

Floor Statement - Assembly 2/14/13 - 1 pages PDF Format HTML Format

Reprint - 8 pages PDF Format HTML Format

Fiscal Estimate - 2/28/13; 1R - 3 pages PDF Format HTML Format

 

Those are the Assembly bills. They don't have the Senate bills posted there.

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Hmm, that's disappointing. Looks like there's been no change to the text. But these are still Assembly bills. I don't think this is the final version of what will be voted on. They don't even list any Senate sponsore.

 

Here's an example:

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/A4000/3772_I1.HTM

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