9X19 125 Posted August 17, 2013 Best possible news. Thanks to everyone who called, sent faxes, and got the word out. We still need to stay on top of this though. They will not give up. It is good for them to know now that we won't either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pythagoras 2 Posted August 18, 2013 Isn't there some kind of legal action being taken against the Assembly? They broke the law by rigging a vote for their own ends. They should be punished! They should lose their seats and have criminal records now! How do we go about prosecuting them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted August 18, 2013 Isn't there some kind of legal action being taken against the Assembly? They broke the law by rigging a vote for their own ends. They should be punished! They should lose their seats and have criminal records now! How do we go about prosecuting them? Not sure, but I would think the AG would have to bring charges. Good luck with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,131 Posted August 18, 2013 Not sure, but I would think the AG would have to bring charges. Good luck with that. The ANJRPC had proposed a lawsuit but said any action couldnt commence untill it actually became law (45 day thing) so that was on hold untill........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted August 18, 2013 The ANJRPC had proposed a lawsuit but said any action couldnt commence untill it actually became law (45 day thing) so that was on hold untill........ But that would've been civil, not criminal.The AG would need to go after them for breaking the rules. Is that the same as the same as breaking the law? Probably not. Congress, the president, they do it all the time with no consequences. Wonder why the people feel like they are being ruled as opposed to represented? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pythagoras 2 Posted August 18, 2013 But that would've been civil, not criminal.The AG would need to go after them for breaking the rules. Is that the same as the same as breaking the law? Probably not. Congress, the president, they do it all the time with no consequences. Wonder why the people feel like they are being ruled as opposed to represented? This is what grinds my gears. We go out of our way to comply with bullshit laws by not stopping for a bathroom break on the way to the range...but these guys willfully and deliberately break the law to commit nefarious voting fraud. What is our recourse? I hope the NJ2AS follows up on this, and I hope those assemblymen go to jail, or at least lose their seats get some kind of criminal record out of it. They deliberately rigged a vote to pass a law. Is it the same as breaking the law? I don't know, but it SHOULD be. Cheating to get a law passed is WORSE than breaking a law, in my humble opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted August 19, 2013 This is what grinds my gears. We go out of our way to comply with bs laws by not stopping for a bathroom break on the way to the range...but these guys willfully and deliberately break the law to commit nefarious voting fraud. What is our recourse? I hope the NJ2AS follows up on this, and I hope those assemblymen go to jail, or at least lose their seats get some kind of criminal record out of it. They deliberately rigged a vote to pass a law. Is it the same as breaking the law? I don't know, but it SHOULD be. Cheating to get a law passed is WORSE than breaking a law, in my humble opinion. Agree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MeanderingCuban 8 Posted August 21, 2013 I'm getting sick and tiered of Sweeney the Swine's bullshit lies. I say we call him out on the .50 cal ban. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted September 19, 2013 The bill is now officially dead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruger9 0 Posted September 19, 2013 "officially dead"... really? Is this the "omnibus" bill that also had the ban on mailorder ammo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,128 Posted September 19, 2013 Yes it is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunguy1960 2 Posted September 19, 2013 So I apply for 48 permits? Can use one a month, good for four years equals 48. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mickeyduck 0 Posted September 19, 2013 Charles Mainor is the chariman of Law Public Safety, Assemblyman, and Jersey City Police Detective. He is WELL ABOVE prosecution for something like this. Trenton prosecutors aren't going to hunt down a black police detective from Jersey City because he defrauded the NJ Assembly voting procedures on a dead bill. It's a shame that this even happened. Politicians find ways (Sheila Oliver and the Democrats in this case) to break the same laws they write, for something as honest as Voting Procedures. No one has the time or patience to file a suit in NJ courts. It's going to die with this bill. If the bill passed, there might be some legal standing for you or me to sue Charles Mainor for illegally halting the vote, which directly resulted in us having to pay $$$ for firearms training/license/etc. But now it's going to die I think, ask ANJRPC and Scott Bach. Speaking of Trenton, you go on the NJ state police crime report statistics for 2012, 2011, etc... & you'll find the majority of crimes with firearms in Trenton & Newark. Why don't they go after those violent crimes now that they know where they occur? Why beat up on honest legal gun owners? I bet the majority of those illegal guns recover are from out of state also Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElmerFudd 0 Posted September 23, 2013 . At that time, the holder may apply to the issuing authority for a renewal. The issuing authority shall investigate to determine whether the applicant is still qualified for a permit to purchase a handgun. The investigation may include, at the discretion of the issuing authority, a criminal background check and other investigations required under N.J.S.2C:58-3, or any portion of those requirements. That "at the discretion" bit bothers me to no end. With that language, they can pick and choose to force you through the background check again whenever you renew. That has to be especially unconstitutional (even more so than the rest of this) as it imposes an inherently discriminatory practice by statute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roffi 0 Posted January 15, 2014 I was just at www.GSOSS.com this weekend volunteering for NJ2AS and I was telling all people I could about how this bill was long gun registration. It said no private sales, all sales thru a dealer and if not a dealer then local PD you file with. Never used the words registration but and record-able transaction had to have document then gun so this bill over time will cause all guns to be registered and none 18 or younger at then time of the bill if passed could every say i the future they were gifted the gun without documentation. It did have a family clause but I'm not sure how, not sure if the family clause was for "must go thru dealer" or "transaction paperwork filed with local PD". Even NRA-ILA agrees with last years proposed bills "prohibits all private sales; and effectively creates a registry of ammunition purchases and long gun sales." 06-14-13 email "New Jersey: Sweeney FID Bill Scheduled for “Re-Do” in New Assembly Committee on Monday" nday" During the show I took the time to also stop by vender to explain another not so well known bullet with this bill... 25 (3) No firearm or imitation thereof shall be placed in any 26 window or in any other part of the premises where it can be readily 27 seen from the outside. so all gun store would take down any pics of guns. What if a gun was your logo ( I suggest everyone get involved either thru NJ2AS or ANJRPC and make our voices heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 15, 2014 I thought this was dead?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted January 15, 2014 nothings ever dead..... Zombie Bills Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,131 Posted January 16, 2014 nothings ever dead..... Zombie Bills So true. The dems put in a shitload of time and effort scripting new gun control laws, IIRC at one point there was 80+ but as we know the nasty few that progressed to CCs desk got vetoed. But they are NOT dead only in remission for the next Gov, Assembly and Senate to play with. Maybe sooner if God forbid another high profile shooting occurs again. Enjoy the timout now, like some old famous person said, peace is just the downtime it takes to re-load-or something like that lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Knuckle Sandwich 5 Posted January 16, 2014 And now that Krispy Kreme is on the ropes with a presidential shot, I wonder if we can count on him for more vetoes? Scary times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted January 17, 2014 And now that Krispy Kreme is on the ropes with a presidential shot, I wonder if we can count on him for more vetoes? Scary times. I would say YES because he might get desperate to salvage it and go all pro gun to win votes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pythagoras 2 Posted January 17, 2014 We can only hope so... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MeanderingCuban 8 Posted January 18, 2014 I would say YES because he might get desperate to salvage it and go all pro gun to win votes. Unfortunately, Ryan_J I don't think we will be so lucky this time around. Something tells me that the Dems have something on CC regarding the GW Bridge issue and the bargain chip are these gun bills. If he signs them the investigation "goes away". If he doesn't they drop the bomb and his career is over. Remember he could always switch parties. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted January 18, 2014 We can only hope so... Hope gets you nothing every time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted January 18, 2014 Unfortunately, Ryan_J I don't think we will be so lucky this time around. Something tells me that the Dems have something on CC regarding the GW Bridge issue and the bargain chip are these gun bills. If he signs them the investigation "goes away". If he doesn't they drop the bomb and his career is over. Remember he could always switch parties. I'd imagine if they had such a nuclear option they would be going for bigger fish than guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MeanderingCuban 8 Posted January 18, 2014 I'd imagine if they had such a nuclear option they would be going for bigger fish than guns. I hope you are correct. Perhaps they are just trying to bombard him with distractions as they know we will bombard his office with calls, emails, faxes and letters. However, perhaps it's not damaging enough to be nuclear per say, just just enough to make him play their game? Also, what other bigger fish do the dems want then everyone's guns? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,765 Posted January 18, 2014 Hope gets you nothing every time. Hope (and Oprah) gets you elected. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,765 Posted January 18, 2014 Also, what other bigger fish do the dems want then everyone's guns? Re-election. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MeanderingCuban 8 Posted January 18, 2014 Re-election. And the sure fire way to get re-elected is.....take everyone ones guns away. In nj gun haters are by far the larger population and what would win their votes more than taking all the guns away.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob2222 316 Posted January 18, 2014 Also, what other bigger fish do the dems want then everyone's guns? Re-election. Money. (Which buys them re-election.) In nj gun haters are by far the larger population and what would win their votes more than taking all the guns away.. I think that NJ taxpayers are the larger population. The gun-grabbers either fail to understand or choose not to understand the firearm owner demographic. They seem to think that the problem with Camden, Trenton and Newark is sportsmen and NRA members legally buying guns and ammo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,278 Posted January 18, 2014 Also, what other bigger fish do the dems want then everyone's guns? Hillary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites