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Yes, I understand that.

 

Pop detection affects how often the V1 sweeps for K and KA.  It's much faster with Pop on, about 5 times as often.

 

When pop is on, no decisions are made, it alerts right away.

 

When pop is off, the V1 discriminates and realizes that the side assist is a false and does not alert.

 

But you know, don't take my word for it.  Take it from Audi drivers who have a V1.

 

Here: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/471669-Valentine-1-w-Side-Assist-and-Park-Assist

and here http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/467520-V1-with-Side-Assist-Issues

POP on does not add extra sweeps on K or Ka band. It actually hurts reactivity on 34.7 and 35.5 Ka, but increases it on K band and 33.8 Ka band. You're right when POP is on, it will alert to K band quicker, but it will also alert to 33.8 Ka quicker. But it's not because it sweeps these bands 5 times more often as you say. It alerts at the first sign of the alert, instead of waiting for another scan. POP off does not discriminate a lane assist alert as such. It is just not reactive enough to pick up the short bursts that some lane assists give out. However, there are still many instances a POP off V1 will still alert to lane assist which spits out radar for a longer duration that 67 milliseconds. Just to clarify, yes POP off will reduce alot of falses. But it won't completely dismiss all audi lane assists.

 

But something may have changed from the 3.872 I used to run, to the 3.893 I run now. I'll turn POP off and see if I'm able to get it to alert to audis. Maybe something is different in the newest model.

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3. After 9/11, my NYC company located two blocks from ground zero moved the worker bees out to eastern PA, and I was forced to do ultra marathon commuting for a few years. (I wish the LEOs devoted as much attention to debris on the highway as they devote to speeders.) I telecommute now, so my exposure isn't that high, but I feel naked without my V-1. If you drive a lot, or drive fast, or drive fast a lot, a radar detector is essential.

 

4. Too much can't be said about situational awareness. If you drive the same route day after day, you pretty much know where all the speed traps are.

 

5. It's probably helpful if you look fairly innocuous, and drive an innocuous car. LEOs may swear on a stack of Bibles that they enforce speed limits objectively, but they don't.

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If you drive a lot, or drive fast, or drive fast a lot, a radar detector is essential.

 

I find that it prevents a confluence of bad conditions(I.e. I'm normally near the speed limit for a long time and the few seconds I'm speeding I come into the LEO cone of enforcement).  Suppose I'm tooling along in the middle lane at 60-65mph...but all three lanes are blocked by aholes pacing each other and dropping to 50mph on upgrades.    I see an opening that will occur for a short window and if I push up to 85+ for 10 seconds I can switch a lane or two and  have a mile in front of the pacing jackwagons.   Right about the time I'm ready to make my move the V1 barks ahead.   I keep the pace...pass the friendly revenue enhancer and no fuss no muss.   This particular type of situation occurs fairly frequently.   It's not that I'm running 85+ all the time...it's spurty just to get clear of slowpokes blocking up the lanes.

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i may also add, that if they weren't out there "hiding", radar detectors wouldn't be necessary, as when police are visible, everyone generally is behaving themselves.   and you can't tell me they don't hide.

 

 that said, i do hold pretty high respect for most police officers.

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They don't even need to hide really.  A patrol car could be standing conspicuously on the side of the road and they'll still get customers.  IMO those inattentive drivers are the ones that should get written anyway.

 

Rookie cops do the darnest things though.  Sometimes they bury themselves so deep in their fox holes that it takes them a minute to pull out onto the roadway if they can even get out without getting beached on a rut.  Such enthusiasm!  Give them a few years and they're using the common spots that the regular drivers know to slow down for (as per the unspoken gentlemen's agreement).

 

I do not envy the life of traffic enforcement officers and I do not care for that method of generating revenue for local and state governments.  Best to stay off their radar IMO.

 

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correct. i'm talking about the ones though, that for instance sit on the turn around on 295, so that they getcha just as you crest the hill. or the one that sits just behind the bridge abutment as you go under 73. those are obviously hiding, trying to catch you, not trying to stop you from speeding. the ones sitting on the turn around on 42 just before the ac expressway....those guys are sitting out in the open trying to slow people down.

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correct. i'm talking about the ones though, that for instance sit on the turn around on 295, so that they getcha just as you crest the hill. or the one that sits just behind the bridge abutment as you go under 73. those are obviously hiding, trying to catch you, not trying to stop you from speeding. the ones sitting on the turn around on 42 just before the ac expressway....those guys are sitting out in the open trying to slow people down.

 

What's the point of them being visible if the only thing that happens is that you slow down from 85 to 65 for less than a mile? The. You speed up again.

 

Are there cops who get really bad with tickets? Sure.... But for the most part... If you got one, you deserve it.

 

Who can say they never drove over the speed limit?

 

I used to think it was only money, but hen you realize how many of those speeding stops result in people pulled over who have warrants, drugs, or drunks.

 

 

 

 

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What's the point of them being visible if the only thing that happens is that you slow down from 85 to 65 for less than a mile? The. You speed up again.

 

^^ This. Those 10-15 minutes of flashing lights on the side of the road behind another car whise driver looks absolutely miserable and embarrassed seems to work a lot better at slowing everyone down than just sitting out there for all to see. Although that is something I do when writing a report on my MDT. When I want to catch someone breaking a MV Law, I hide.

 

Traffic enforcement is my least favorite part of the job, but some guys love it. It does result in some great arrests sometimes though. Most of my better hooks for guns and/or drugs have resulted from an initial traffic stop.

 

Every agency has the guy that eschews discretion, hammers everyone and would scratch one out on his own Mother, and every agency has the guy that writes no one. Most guys fall in the middle and do their jobs.

 

I rarely ever write anyone a speeding ticket (I have been known to have a heavy foot myself on occasion) and most people get breaks, if not on the side of the road, then when they came to court. I could really care less if I stop you and you have a Radar Detector or not. In actuality, more often than not most people talk themselves into a ticket. I follow the 4Es of traffic enforcement as I was taught in the academy. To me it is the only fair way to do it:

 

Emergency - is the person I stopped having a legitimate emergency that would cause them to break the traffic laws?

 

Engineering/Environment - is it a problem with the physical environment that caused the violation? Bad or missing signage, bad road design (25mph on a 4 lane rd going downhill), car problem that they did not know about?

 

Education - is the mere stop alone enough for the driver to get the message that they messed up? Have they ever received a warning or summons for this infraction in the past? Did they even know that what they did was illegal?

 

Enforcement - if the other three Es don't apply and the only way to make the point is to issue a summons, that's what they get. Usually, this is where people talk themselves into a ticket. If they aren't going to accept the Education, then they get written. I am also more likely to use the Enforcement option if what the driver did put other motorists/the public in danger.

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Good points..

 

I'll take getting educated over a summons any day of the week, thank you sir may I have another.  Though I prefer that the catch and release takes place before the officer gets a page count on my abstract.

 

To Maks point, something like a quarter of all arrests originate from routine traffic stops.  But I don't have a cite for that.

 

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Good points..

 

I'll take getting educated over a summons any day of the week, thank you sir may I have another. Though I prefer that the catch and release takes place before the officer gets a page count on my abstract.

I will only check have HQ check an abstract for suspended drivers (DL or Reg) so I can tell them why they are suspended and when the suspension took place. Other than that I don't care all that much. There are some exceptions to this rule but that's what I generally do.

 

To Maks point, something like a quarter of all arrests originate from routine traffic stops. But I don't have a cite for that.

I don't have a cite either, but in my experience that is correct. It may be even a little higher - like 1/3rd.

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But for the most part... If you got one, you deserve it.

 

I probably deserve thousands for every one I actually get!

 

At a given speed, vehicles 2 SD from the middle of the appearance bell curve -- the red Ferrari with the wing, and the ghettocar with tinted windows and 20 inch wheels are much more likely to get stopped than a soccer mom's minivan. It's Christmas, the LEO already knows what's inside the minivan, and it's not going to be the high point of his or her day.

 

So, radar detector, and an innocuous looking car as a daily driver.....

 

And as for speeders' guilt :

 

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/video_shows_nj_state_police_le.html

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What's the point of them being visible if the only thing that happens is that you slow down from 85 to 65 for less than a mile? The. You speed up again.

 

Are there cops who get really bad with tickets? Sure.... But for the most part... If you got one, you deserve it.

 

Who can say they never drove over the speed limit?

 

I used to think it was only money, but hen you realize how many of those speeding stops result in people pulled over who have warrants, drugs, or drunks.

 

 

 

 

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i never said i didn't deserve the ones i got. for every time i got caught, there were dozens of times it was someone else that got caught. i learned the "tricks" to avoid getting caught, especially on my regularly traveled routes.

 that's not the point of what iw as saying though. if the officer's sitting out in the open, people will slow down. you and i slowing down forces pretty much everyone behind us to slow down. it lasts for more than just a mile. then there's also the fact that they can be out cruising...same thing....no one's gonna go blowing past a trooper doin' 80 in a 65 zone.

 

 in md i used to see patrol cars setting out with no officers in them. reds n blues going, and radar fired up. it was amazing how well that worked at slowing down traffic.

 

 i guess my point is, that if they're hiding, they're not "protecting".

 

 annnd...as i said......i never said i didn't deserve the ones i got.

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I never ran a radar detector and really never had an issue speeding. And if my car didn't stand out I dunno what does..

Most times I've gotten pulled over, the officer/trooper would ask about the car and why it looked the way it did and let me off with a warning. 

I was stopped in SC coming back from Florida by a trooper at roughly 2am going WELL over 100MPH. He asked if it was a race car and my reply of "yes" got him asking questions. I eventually ended up showing him videos of the hill climbs I did and he called over his backup and we watched 3-4 videos before he let me go with a warning.



 

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OP, I know you already bought a 9500 ix. It will serve you well, but you bought a RD that is not nearly as effective as a Valentine One with Connection, or a band segmented Redline. Here is where the 9500ix shines. GPS lockouts. That's it. The 9500ix uses a M4 antenna, that is "outdated" technology and inferior in range and reactivity to the Redline. (The Redline uses the newer M3 antenna). While GPS lockouts are the only advantage to the 9500ix, it is also it's Achilles heal. To most, this will not matter, but to some, it can mean a big fine. The GPS lockouts can be set one of two ways on the 9500is. Autolearn, and manual lockouts. With autolearn, if you pass an area with a false 3 times, your RD will automatically lock that signal out based on it's frequency and location. If you set it to manual, you can manually lock out the signal if you are certain it's a false. Most falses alerts happen with the K band and X band. Here's the problem however. If you encounter a LEO in the same area as your lockout, it most certainly is possible for your RD to confuse the LEO signal as the false it has locked out, despite what Escort claims. There are many documented cases of this, and hard core enthusiasts have even tested this and found it to be true. Most will use the argument of, "Well I don't speed there anyway", which could very well be the case, but after having my Sti-R+ (which is also GPS enabled and functions exactly like the 9500is in this regard) lock out multiple LEO radar, I and many other's have decided that GPS enabled RD's are for people who really don't speed and can get away taking that risk.

 

The Valentine One WITH V1 Connection, and the Redline WITH band segmentation (BS) and the ability to turn radar detection rejection (RDR) off are the two top players in the game right now. Each has it's benefits and "weaknesses".

 

Starting with the V1. The V1 has been considered the top dog for years. The advantages of a V1 are it's outdated, yet superior display which allows you to view a slew of information all on one little display. The V1 offers the most situational awareness out of any other RD on the market today or in the past. Now with V1 Connection, (V1C), you get even more info on one screen through blue tooth connection through your phone. Another advantage to the V1 is its reactivity. Everyone talks about range (sensitivity), but many fail to realize how important reactivity is. Reactivity relates to how fast your RD will decipher whether a radar signal it hears is legit or not. (The Redline used to lack in reactivity until it's most recent update)

 

If you run the V1 in its base settings, which leaves Ka Guard ON, your Ka detection will be subpar at best because it confirms the Ka signal by sweeping it twice before it alerts to it. Turning Ka Guard OFF increases Ka band sensitivity and reactivity, but increases falses from all the piece of crap Cobras on the road. Cobras false in the 33.7 frequency. There are 3 Ka band frequencies used in the US. 33.800, 35.500, and 34.700. Of course these frequencies drift, so seeing a 34.690 or 34.715 is very common. Here is where having V1C is beneficial. Before V1C, the V1 did not have frequency display. It only showed you what band it was, and it was up to you to decipher whether it's a real LEO or a false. (On X and K band, you still have to decipher yourself) However, almost all NJSP vehicles use Stalker Radar, which runs at 34.7 Ka frequency. But beware, there are still a few NJSP X band radars on the road. Municipal and County PD's use them all, depending on what town or county you are in. If you see 33.7 on the parkway or turnpike, 99.9% of the time its a false from a Cobra. Where you have to be careful is if a county LEO is pretending to be a trooper and running radar on the parkway. This however is very rare.

 

The rear antenna is also great on the V1. The arrows tell you where the signal is coming from, and this is important so you don't have a LEO sneak up on you.

 

The V1's weakness is it's narrow horn which reduces it's capability to pick up weak off axis, and forward facing radar (FF) (Forward facing meaning the LEO is running radar in the direction you're traveling, and hits you in the rear after you pass him) Off axis and especially forward facing radar detection relies on reflections of the radar off of other vehicles. Only the most sensitive and most reactive RD's will pick this up. The 9500ix is horrible at picking up weak reflections. The V1C will still pick up off axis and FF radar, but not as well as the new updated Redline.

 

This is getting too long of a post so I'll try and make it short. The Redline used to be a very slow RD, meaning that it would scan a signal multiple times before alerting. This is where the ability to turn off RDR is a huge improvement, as now, it will alert to a signal on the first sweep. The reason RDR exists, is to prevent false signals. To combat that, especially on Ka band, the Redline now has the ability to set your Ka scans to just the frequencies you encounter. This also speeds up the reactivity and increases range on Ka b/c it is only scanning those 3 frequencies instead of all the Ka frequencies. In terms of sensitivity and reactivity, the Redline is HANDS DOWN the best. There is not even a question. The V1C comes in second.

 

Keep in mind the best defense against police radar is situational awareness and your eyes. Also, as others mentioned, police also use Instant On radar, which means they keep radar in hold mode, and then trasmit when they see a car in range. In this case, you must use a rabbit. A rabbit is someone in front of you going the same speed. The idea is for the LEO to hit him, before they see you, thus giving you time to slow down. But NOTHING is 100%. A very selective LEO will be able to pull you over if he doesn't hit anyone else in front of you with radar.

 

Also remember LEO's use lidar now. With lidar, most of the time you won't get an alert until you are the target. The only RD that will give you even remotely a chance is the V1 as the V1's lidar detection capability is ridiculous and it is possible to get lidar scatter before you are the target.  But I would NEVER rely on any RD to protect you against lidar.

 

 

OP, the 9500is will serve you well, but if you're s super speeder, I would definitely upgrade. Hope this helped.

How in the world did you know i bought a 9500?! i did a few years ago but sold it soon after i was not happy with it

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BTW avi, have you made up your mind on a new RD yet? What kind of terrain do you drive on? More highway or city driving? Lots or curves, trees, hills? Or mostly straight roads?

no not yet its between the redline and the V1most of my driving is in jersey parkway tnpk, sometimes i drive the 95 to GA

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^^ This. Those 10-15 minutes of flashing lights on the side of the road behind another car whise driver looks absolutely miserable and embarrassed seems to work a lot better at slowing everyone down than just sitting out there for all to see. Although that is something I do when writing a report on my MDT. When I want to catch someone breaking a MV Law, I hide.

 

Traffic enforcement is my least favorite part of the job, but some guys love it. It does result in some great arrests sometimes though. Most of my better hooks for guns and/or drugs have resulted from an initial traffic stop.

 

Every agency has the guy that eschews discretion, hammers everyone and would scratch one out on his own Mother, and every agency has the guy that writes no one. Most guys fall in the middle and do their jobs.

 

I rarely ever write anyone a speeding ticket (I have been known to have a heavy foot myself on occasion) and most people get breaks, if not on the side of the road, then when they came to court. I could really care less if I stop you and you have a Radar Detector or not. In actuality, more often than not most people talk themselves into a ticket. I follow the 4Es of traffic enforcement as I was taught in the academy. To me it is the only fair way to do it:

 

Emergency - is the person I stopped having a legitimate emergency that would cause them to break the traffic laws?

 

Engineering/Environment - is it a problem with the physical environment that caused the violation? Bad or missing signage, bad road design (25mph on a 4 lane rd going downhill), car problem that they did not know about?

 

Education - is the mere stop alone enough for the driver to get the message that they messed up? Have they ever received a warning or summons for this infraction in the past? Did they even know that what they did was illegal?

 

Enforcement - if the other three Es don't apply and the only way to make the point is to issue a summons, that's what they get. Usually, this is where people talk themselves into a ticket. If they aren't going to accept the Education, then they get written. I am also more likely to use the Enforcement option if what the driver did put other motorists/the public in danger.

You sound like a good cop (you must be, your on a gun forum) but i bet your not a state trooper those guys never ever give warnings

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Escort just came out with a new RD. apparently it has the ability to pick up signals far out like the redline and has the 9500ix GPS stuff also.

 

 

Released on the 10th of this month.

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+1 on Valentine.

 

My take on most speed limits is that most are as arbitrary as Magazine Capacity limits, and imposed for much the same reason.

 

As an aside, I had a college teacher who wrote a book solely about the Turnpike.  An interesting read, but one factoid he uncovered was that the engineers who designed the road did so with 75mph cruising speed in mind for cars with 1970 handling characteristics.  The curve radius, elevation change, etc.

 

On the other hand, I live on a residential road set at 30mph.  Since the road is a popular pass-through from one town to the next, commuters think nothing of doing 60.  Or worse if they think they can floor it to catch the brief green light at the end.  The kids play basketball in the driveway, and sometimes the ball gets tipped down the driveway and into the street.  Here comes speed racer, and you can imagine the rest of the tale.

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I own BMWs and have been pulled over my share of times...usually for 10-15 over in locations where the speed limit SHOULD be higher.  In other words, I don't speed in residential areas.

 

Needless to say, I have my share of "seatbelt" tickets because:

 

1) I'm always respectful of the officer.

2) I never try to deny what I've been doing.

3) I don't have a radar detector and make sure to point that out.

 

Whatever detector you get, it better be completely stealth or it may work to your disadvantage.  All you guys mounting V1's in plain sight...well, you might as well put a bumper sticker on your car that says "I speed excessively and try to get away with it.  Please give me a ticket".

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I own BMWs and have been pulled over my share of times...usually for 10-15 over in locations where the speed limit SHOULD be higher.  In other words, I don't speed in residential areas.

 

Needless to say, I have my share of "seatbelt" tickets because:

 

1) I'm always respectful of the officer.

2) I never try to deny what I've been doing.

3) I don't have a radar detector and make sure to point that out.

 

Whatever detector you get, it better be completely stealth or it may work to your disadvantage.  All you guys mounting V1's in plain sight...well, you might as well put a bumper sticker on your car that says "I speed excessively and try to get away with it.  Please give me a ticket".

Forgive me but what is your MO in your many stops?......."Good afternoon Officer,as your are no doubt aware, I am the proud owner of this BMW and most likely the primary reason you pulled me over but even if I'm not wearing my seat belt and speeding, please take in to account that I am being awfully polite and also you'll also notice that I've no Radar detector........Thank you so much for considering all these pertinent facts as you check my credentials"   And this works for you? Excellent. :)

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