just a little clarification...

[vladtepes 1,060]

Just a little clarification... 

 

most people here believe in freedom.....

 

with that said this is a privately owned forum, that has over time attracted a large diverse group of people....

 

there are individuals that identify themselves with the right... individuals that support liberty in its purist form... law enforcement officers... and even some people that are pretty liberal.... this a common place for those individuals that enjoy shooting sports to discuss firearms...  

 

that is the intended use of the site... 

one more time in case you missed it...

 

THIS FORUM IS INTENDED AS A PLACE FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT ENJOY FIREARMS TO TALK ABOUT FIREARMS...

 

this is NOT a place to air your hatred for liberals...

this is NOT a place to spew vial comments about law enforcement....

this is NOT a place to insult others with vast negative generalizations...

 

and that is the problem..

the problem is not that we hate freedom.. it is not that we want to sensor you..

at your house.. in your yard.. you can say whatever the hell you want... but here... you are required to have a little respect... when a forum is reduced to petty constant bickering and insults.. it becomes worthless...  so if you are here to be an internet tough guy... you should probably just leave..

 

if you are here because you love guns.. 

and enjoy talking about them.. then this is a great site that has a ton of knowledgeable members.. and a vast amount of information....

 

once again in case you missed it..

the goal is not to sensor you because we "hate freedom"... the reason some members are finding problems is because a certain amount of tact is required to maintain a decent level of quality...

[Clintoon Eastwood 2]

+1 preach on brother!

 

Vladtepes, I never met you but you are one of my favorites here on this forum since you speak the TRUTH and keep it REAL and very HELPFUL to newbies!

[Handyman 5,682]

With all due respect... if your feelings get hurt by reading internet threads, please read this one:

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/56621-where-have-the-men-gone/

[vladtepes 1,060]

With all due respect... if your feelings get hurt by reading internet threads, please read this one:

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/56621-where-have-the-men-gone/

 

 

your missing the point entirely... 

let me make it more clear... 

 

my feelings are not hurt by the internet.. it has NOTHING to do with feelings.. 

the problem.. since you are not understanding is this...

 

thread starts

"I saw this optic on a picture of a local SWAT team in the news paper.. what is it.. looks new?"

*insert several posts about what optic it might be.. how well it may or may work.. and the discussion flows"

then.. out of nowhere..

*insert the ridiculous irrelevant comment about how cops are terrible*

and then watch the thread spiral into a massive mess of BS...

 

that is the point.. the point is petty grade school girl bickering.. is not something REAL MEN do... grown up real men (since you brought it up) can exchange ideas with individuals even when they disagree..

none of that is a problem.. 

 

the problem is when petty children look for an argument... and it will no longer be tolerated..

the forum is about guns.. and shooting...

[checko 180]

Aren't we past the point where warnings and threads talking about being nice are warranted? If someone breaks the rules, warn them, then ban them. Why do we always have to go round and round asking people not to be dickheads

[vladtepes 1,060]

Aren't we to the point where warnings and threads talking about being nice are warranted? If someone breaks the rules, warn them, then ban them. Why do we always have to go round and round asking people not to be dickheads

 

 

we have reached that point... I am doing my fair share to try to convey to people why there needs to be a certain level of order and respect... and try to explain it has nothing to do with hurt feelings.. and everything to do with preserving the quality of the forum...

 

trust me.. we are not asking anymore.. 

[jgofnj 5]

So no more stupid posts about what underwear you wear?  That was by far the dumbest, stupidest post ever to have on a gun forum.

[voyager9 3,434]

So no more stupid posts about what underwear you wear? That was by far the dumbest, stupidest post ever to have on a gun forum.

I think it's perfectly acceptable to have a thread talking about our favorite holsters for our..um..guns..

Just because you hate my freedom... /J

 

 

[Maksim 1,504]

I am sure it was drunk posting. =)  And honestly, it is the fractional minority of people who are on forums just for complaining. =)

 

I am a softy and give people a bazzilion chances, but its ok. =)

[Handyman 5,682]

 

the problem is when petty children look for an argument... and it will no longer be tolerated..

the forum is about guns.. and shooting...

 

This being the case, you should probably delete the "Bucket 3" forum. It seems that it will attract non-shooting topics by its nature (if not by design).

[vladtepes 1,060]

This being the case, you should probably delete the "Bucket 3" forum. It seems that it will attract non-shooting topics by its nature (if not by design).

 

my comment is about staying on topic in threads... obviously there several forums here that reach past firearms discussion...

again the issue is as Maks put it.. only a very small fraction of people... but there was discussion in chat the other day about it... and I just wanted to be clear with people..

 

you can have an opinion... you can disagree... but what is not appreciated is rudeness and blatant disrespect... it causes people to bicker, and drives threads into the ground.. 

[sof 0]

Vlad, I agree with your central points here 100%. However in the current climate in this part of the country, it is impossible to discuss guns without some political issues coming forward on occasion. And, I realize you are well aware of that and tolerent of it to a very reasonable degree. Unfortunately, there are a great number of people who cannot seem to listen to other people's opinion and discuss it without devolving into insulting tone if it doesn't agree with their own. That's too bad because there are many intelligent views being expressed here that often cause me to at least examine things in ways I had not considered before. Also, it's too bad that intelligent threads frequently veer off into unrelated areas. While I am rather new here, I however quickly learned to hold back on expressing my own ideas as a general rule because of that bitter, insulting, bickering tone you referred to above.

So, what am I saying here? One, I agree it is a gun forum and since as you say it is privately run, the owners have a right to have it be whatever they desire it to be. Two, it would be a shame if we can't include some rational discussion of gun issues beyond just the technical or what do you like aspects of ownership. Three, it is a shame that people cannot discuss rather than argue, as the former is constructive while the latter merely closes minds and eyes while dividing us through resenment. As for the innocuous silly threads, I don't read them but they don't bother me at all. At least they don't always veer off into anger.

[TK421 2]

Just a little clarification... 

 

most people here believe in freedom.....

 

with that said this is a privately owned forum, that has over time attracted a large diverse group of people....

 

there are individuals that identify themselves with the right... individuals that support liberty in its purist form... law enforcement officers... and even some people that are pretty liberal.... this a common place for those individuals that enjoy shooting sports to discuss firearms...  

 

that is the intended use of the site... 

one more time in case you missed it...

 

THIS FORUM IS INTENDED AS A PLACE FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT ENJOY FIREARMS TO TALK ABOUT FIREARMS...

 

this is NOT a place to air your hatred for liberals...

this is NOT a place to spew vial comments about law enforcement....

this is NOT a place to insult others with vast negative generalizations...

 

and that is the problem..

the problem is not that we hate freedom.. it is not that we want to sensor you..

at your house.. in your yard.. you can say whatever the hell you want... but here... you are required to have a little respect... when a forum is reduced to petty constant bickering and insults.. it becomes worthless...  so if you are here to be an internet tough guy... you should probably just leave..

 

if you are here because you love guns.. 

and enjoy talking about them.. then this is a great site that has a ton of knowledgeable members.. and a vast amount of information....

 

once again in case you missed it..

the goal is not to sensor you because we "hate freedom"... the reason some members are finding problems is because a certain amount of tact is required to maintain a decent level of quality...

 

So there are some problems with this.  I know you think we should all be singing kum ba yah in one big diverse gun owning cabal but there is one glaring problem.  Just about everyone living in NJ that owns a gun agrees; the laws are over bearing and don't just simply infringe upon our rights, they blatantly impede, prevent and penalize the free exercise of this right.  The current state of our rights to own weapons for self-protection and the very concept of the right to defend life, liberty and property here in NJ have been eroded by generations of an ignorant electorate that has empowered subsequent generations of ignorant politicians and judges to trample those rights.  I don't care if you are a Democrat or a Republican, in this state you are either hard left or moderately left, there is no right to speak of here any longer.  The common problems we experience here with gun laws do not exist in a microcosm, they are not an anomaly in an otherwise free society, they are indicative of an authoritarian mindset that has manifested itself in the soft tyranny we find ourselves living with today.  So the lack of interest to discuss politics here for fear of insulting someone leaves us nothing more than a venue to simply piss, **** and moan about the problems inherent with living in a leftist, statist, totalitarian oligarchy without a forum to address the underlying root causes and mind-sets that got us and keep us here.  SO when you say:

 

this is NOT a place to air your hatred for liberals...

this is NOT a place to spew vial comments about law enforcement....

this is NOT a place to insult others with vast negative generalizations...

 

It is about the manifestations of liberal, progressive and socialist policies.

It is about the enforcement arm of the government complicit in preventing you from the free exercise of you rights.

It is about trying to explain the root causes of the totalitarian system of government we are struggling to deal with today and if you somehow feel all butt-hurt over what someone says you might just be part of the problem.

 

So in short, I will reiterate, we are where we are because of the politics that got us here, the inability to address the politics that got us here leaves us with our collective thumbs up our asses with nothing more than a forum to whine about our current situation.

 

And just for the record, I am more of a Constitutionalist/Libertarian than a Republican, I tend to hold my nose with one hand while I vote Republican with the other.

[checko 180]

[TK421 2]

And that is exactly the problem.

 

Want to talk about any stupid issue unrelated to guns?  Sure, no problem, pick your topic:

 

So what do you drive?

Your favorite Underwear Brands

Don't pee behind this shop 

1/16 Scale RC Tanks? 

What kind of powder do you use in this weather?

The Cicadas Are Coming! 

 

Live in district 33 and want to do something about the problem?

 

Sorry, we couldn't find that!

District 33 - This topic has been moved!

 

[bhunted 887]

Hmmmmm, the politics that got us here?

 

I never came here for politics, (anyone who knows me, knows I hate fooking politics), because a year ago roughly when I joined, there were not many politics concerning guns to get ticked about. I came here for the hobby and camaraderie... Not much else. A little fun here and there is one thing. But if you cannot control yourselves when getting heated 'About Anything', you best just be quiet.

 

It's not even arguing about politics, it's about everything. Seems quite a few avenues in threads include wars lately.

 

IF the gun problems in this country get you sooooo fired up where you cannot control yourself, maybe you need to rethink your strategy and future health concerns.

 

I took a few steps to calm myself down because I admit, I can be stubborn and hot headed at times. But I usually get that way when I see endless stupidity, arguing, fighting, ignorance, etc.

 

Examples:

 

- My wife has strict orders that when ignorant politicians are ranting their bs, to turn to a different channel or turn it off completely immediately. Why should I aggravate myself and blow my bp off the charts?

- I will not try educate people that refuse to learn facts. Like my neighbor. You cannot teach things to people who are always right and refuse to learn. Some say, we need to educate everyone regarding guns. It simply cannot always work. So me trying, and my bp spikes, I will walk away, everyday.

- Things posted here quite often interest me. But the second I see a downward post, I will stop reading most of the time just so I can keep my bp down. This is a shame because good threads all too often have recently went bad.

 

Finally, if you feel this is the only way you can vent your 2A frustrations, do it constructively, stay on topic, use smilies and walk away relieved.

If you cannot do this, log off and buy a heavy bag and punch the shet out of it till you bleed. You will feel relieved, tired and your hands will be sore enough where we won't see you here till the next bout...

 

+1 Vlad

 

 

 

Sent from John's iPad 2 via Tapatalk HD

Typos courtesy Apple...

[checko 180]

And that is exactly the problem.

 

Want to talk about any stupid issue unrelated to guns?  Sure, no problem, pick your topic:

 

So what do you drive?

Your favorite Underwear Brands

Don't pee behind this shop 

1/16 Scale RC Tanks? 

What kind of powder do you use in this weather?

The Cicadas Are Coming! 

 

Live in district 33 and want to do something about the problem?

 

Sorry!

District 33 - This topic has been moved!

 

You are still missing the point. They are moved because certain people on here can't follow directions, and it devolves into name calling and juvenile behavior . Maks and his staff can run the board as they see fit.

 

There is a sub forum here to discuss those matters, you choose not to utilize it.

[alowerlevel 77]

I think some are missing the point that this is a privately owned forum, their house, their rules, dont like them? Dont let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.

[vladtepes 1,060]

You are still missing the point. They are moved because certain people on here can't follow directions, and it devolves into name calling and juvenile behavior . Maks and his staff can run the board as they see fit.

 

There is a sub forum here to discuss those matters, you choose not to utilize it.

You hit the nail on the head...

We recognize politics have a lot to do with gun ownership... Because of that there is a forum for that... It is only open to premium members... If you don't want to spend the cash to be a premium member that's totally fine... Not everyone wants to do that...

 

Further as a general rule we have been pretty flexible with some political discussion... Unfortunately most of it ends up in drama... The problem is simply that people will never appreciate this one simple fact... You believe you are right... Your morals tell you that... That is why you are so driven to try to right the wrongs of the world... Unfortunately that guy you are trying to convince believes the exact same thing (that he is right)... Getting angry... Mocking... Name calling... It's petty and doesn't fix the problem... Sometimes intelligent discussion can't fix it either... People believe what they want... All I can tell you is every time someone goes on a mocking spree... Ranting and name calling... It just validates what the other side thinks of you... And that is that you are a crazy gun owner...

 

If people could discuss and debate with a little self control we would not even be reading this thread... People need to be passionate about what they care for... But they also have to grow up a little... Convey the message in a mature way... If they don't listen they are not going to... Don't stoop to a petty childish level and give them more fuel against you...

 

That is the point...

[The_Matrix 105]

This is a gun forum.  Stick to firearms and accessories related topics.

 

I do not know why a person would ask on a gun forum about finding dates and then later post pictures on himself.   

 

There are other appropriate internet sites for that!

[checko 180]

Further as a general rule we have been pretty flexible with some political discussion... Unfortunately most of it ends up in drama... The problem is simply that people will never appreciate this one simple fact... You believe you are right... Your morals tell you that... That is why you are so driven to try to right the wrongs of the world... Unfortunately that guy you are trying to convince believes the exact same thing (that he is right)... Getting angry... Mocking... Name calling... It's petty and doesn't fix the problem... Sometimes intelligent discussion can't fix it either... People believe what they want... All I can tell you is every time someone goes on a mocking spree... Ranting and name calling... It just validates what the other side thinks of you... And that is that you are a crazy gun owner...

 

 

This is the exact reason I don't get involved in many of the "political" type threads.  I share the same view as many of you on some issue or another.  But when I don't agree, I don't feel the need to be labeled as something or to have to defend my viewpoint to anyone. 

[dman2112 6]

Calguns.net seems to able to handle the diversity of topics without too much crying. Must be that they recognize other amendments and not JUST the second. Plus it's free!!

[checko 180]

:'(

 

Bye.

[djg0770 481]

We don't sensor people. Sensor is a noun (person, place, or thing). Censor is a verb and is the word you intended to use.

[bry@n 195]

This is the way I see it.

 

 

Maks owns the forum. He asks a very little of us we should have respect be user we don't own the forum, he does. It's just basic consideration. That also goes for the admins and mods.

 

Have I stepped over the line at times, you bet. They have always treated me well and in the end, I know it in my heart. I also know when I'm wrong and admit it.

 

I think you guys do a great job a s provide me with a place to share my interest and sell stuff at a extremely reasonable rate. I feel bad even saying reasonable because its down right cheap.

 

What other forums do, is not my concern. This is the local NJ forum. I live by the rules here. Sought of like I did when I lived in my parents house. Maybe some have forgotten..........

[Wolfy 51]

This is the way I see it.

 

 

Maks owns the forum. He asks a very little of us we should have respect be user we don't own the forum, he does. It's just basic consideration. That also goes for the admins and mods.

 

Have I stepped over the line at times, you bet. They have always treated me well and in the end, I know it in my heart. I also know when I'm wrong and admit it.

 

I think you guys do a great job a s provide me with a place to share my interest and sell stuff at a extremely reasonable rate. I feel bad even saying reasonable because its down right cheap.

 

What other forums do, is not my concern. This is the local NJ forum. I live by the rules here. Sought of like I did when I lived in my parents house. Maybe some have forgotten..........

+3.14

 

 

Who is John Galt?

I am so excited I figured out how to change my signature.

[Maksim 1,504]

I don't understand what is so hard about being respectful.

 

It is absolutely not secret that over the past few years, at one point or another, or even still, I do not personally agree or share the same sentiment or opinion as other users.  bhunted, BLF, bonesium, etc.  But guess what?  All of these guys can have a discussion expressing a different point of view, without resorting to name calling or trying to tear someone's head off.  I respect their opinion, even if I may not agree with them.

 

On the flip side... there are a few people who just don't get it.  Right in this post we have 2 people who are complaining.  What do these people have in common?  They had warning points, and lots of her warnings since we started using the points system to keep track of issues.  Both had warnings for abusive language.

 

Why am I even surprised?

 

The first amendment does not give anyone the right to be an ahole. Are you proud of the way you are behaving?  

 

This has nothing to do with politics, this has nothing to do with gun rights, this has everything to do with being a decent human being with moral character and values you would want to teach your children.

[1LtCAP 4,262]

for those who may want an unmoderated forum, may i make a plug? i don't own it, nor do i run it.....but it is also a private forum, and there is zero moderation. most on there are gun lovers, from all over the country, some le, some military, some rednecks, some brits, a couple guys from austrailia........

 

 if you say i can, i'll plug it. if not, then i won't.

 

 and for the record.....i farking LOVE this forum, and can't believe i never found it till lately.

[Maksim 1,504]

Calguns.net seems to able to handle the diversity of topics without too much crying. Must be that they recognize other amendments and not JUST the second. Plus it's free!!

 

This forum is free too.  You don't have to pay to use the forum.   Secondly, other forums just ban people who whine with no warnings or excuses.  I have a very very very long leash. 

 

A forum can either be paid by advertising, vendors, or yourself.  On calguns you have 19 banners, albeit small that someone pays for you to browse.  On top, Calguns does not pay for its technology fees and it is donated to them.  

 

Here, you have a choice.  You do not have to paid a penny to participate on the forum.   Not one.  You have one banner ad that shows up 25% of the time.  You can also get rid of that, and get a few more perks for $3 a month.  In return, you have a great user experience.  Furthermore, our vendors have to pay a fraction of what they would on any other forum.... a small fraction of what I have seen others charge.  Unfortunately, this is not 4 years ago, and the costs to keep the site up are massively larger, however not once in the past 4 years did anyone pay more, or have features taken away.  In fact, we have been adding more and more as time goes on.  Having new members join, gives me the ability to do so.  If it was not, I would not be able to afford to keep the forum up... and once again, that does not include any of the time any of the mods or myself spend here on the forum.

 

At no point, the people who constantly complain about the staff, actually said thank you for having a place to complain. 

[Maksim 1,504]

for those who may want an unmoderated forum, may i make a plug? i don't own it, nor do i run it.....but it is also a private forum, and there is zero moderation. most on there are gun lovers, from all over the country, some le, some military, some rednecks, some brits, a couple guys from austrailia........

 

 if you say i can, i'll plug it. if not, then i won't.

 

 and for the record.....i farking LOVE this forum, and can't believe i never found it till lately.

 

I have no issues with anyone plugging national forums. =)

 

But... we do have a solution for people to discuss gun rights specifically... coming very very soon. =)