UH oh. Problems with my AR-Any smiths in East Brunwsick Area?

[mikeyboyeee 66]

Well, I put a shorty ace skeelton stock wqith dpms spacer on my AR.  Not the most mechanically inclined guy around.

 

Put about 50 rouns thru it yesterday with no issue, then wouldnt fire.

Tried taking it apart today and cant remove lower.

Seems like buffer spring is hung up in it some how.  Stock spacer starting to move so looks like that came loose too.

 

I def need some help with this.

 

Anyone point me in the right direction?

[raz-0 1,259]

the part of the spacer at the front, or the cylindrical part at the rear is what's moving. This is not a setup I would personally recommend. but it is entirely possible you didn't torque the tube enough, and it backed out of the lower, releasing the buffer retaining pin so that your buffer and the pin (or pieces thereof) are no inside the upper receiver where they shouldn't be. 

 

If the bolt moves, you can pop the take down pin out, and try slowly working the charging handle back until things like up right to separate the upper and lower. 

[mikeyboyeee 66]

The bolt def moves.  I will se if I torqued enough. Will take out bolt and see what I can do.

[johnp 45]

Did you follow all the installation steps? Quick video I found of what sounds like your set-up....

 

When you say can't remove the lower, do you mean you can't move the takedown pin?

 

 

 

 

[dtown223 12]

Will the charging handle pull the bolt fully rearward, and will the bolt stay open on an empty mag?

 

[mikeyboyeee 66]

Yes. Bolt full back. Can keep it back.

 

Can pull rear pin out almost all the way, but upper will not come off.

 

I am thinking this is beyond my ability

[dtown223 12]

Where are you located?

[mikeyboyeee 66]

Ok, GOT IT.

Of course i cant find retainer pin and spring.

 

Looks like the buffer tube came lose and bolt was not going all the way forward and was stuck where tube inserts.

 

Guess I should use some loctite next time or have a pro do it.

 

Think I am just going to bring it in or have done by somoene who knows a lot more then me.

 

Any reco's in my area?

 

I dont think EB sportsmen handles this.

[mikeyboyeee 66]

I am in East Brunswick.

[checko 180]

the part of the spacer at the front, or the cylindrical part at the rear is what's moving. This is not a setup I would personally recommend. but it is entirely possible you didn't torque the tube enough, and it backed out of the lower, releasing the buffer retaining pin so that your buffer and the pin (or pieces thereof) are no inside the upper receiver where they shouldn't be.

 

If the bolt moves, you can pop the take down pin out, and try slowly working the charging handle back until things like up right to separate the upper and lower.

Sounds like this to me.

 

Can you just take the stock off, pull out the spring and retrieve the buffer?

[Steve_G 51]

Yes. Bolt full back. Can keep it back.

 

Can pull rear pin out almost all the way, but upper will not come off.

 

I am thinking this is beyond my ability

Pull both pins, takedown and pivot.(only pull them until they stop, you don't want them to come all the way out). Then see if the lower will seperate.

[checko 180]

OK good. Yes loctite is your friend.

[Steve_G 51]

Ok, GOT IT.

Of course i cant find retainer pin and spring.

 

Looks like the buffer tube came lose and bolt was not going all the way forward and was stuck where tube inserts.

 

Guess I should use some loctite next time or have a pro do it.

 

Think I am just going to bring it in or have done by somoene who knows a lot more then me.

 

Any reco's in my area?

 

I dont think EB sportsmen handles this.

If Henry is still at eb sportsman, I'm sure he could do it for you.

[dtown223 12]

E Brunswick is a bit of a hike, otherwise I'd be glad to lend a hand.

If you decide to tackle the reassembly & such yourself, remember: a little loctite goes a LONG way!

Don't overdo it, or you'll be heating your lower with a damn torch the next time you swap stocks.

Ask me how I know

Good luck, my vote is DIY, best way to know your rifle inside/out

[dtown223 12]

And reading the post title might have been helpful on my part

Sorry

[mikeyboyeee 66]

Thanks for all the help guys.

I will try and tackle myself.

 

Anyone know best (read cheapest) place to order the retainer spring and pin? Also might as well order the other small spring.

[Krdshrk 3,877]

Palmetto state armory may have what you need.  Or Brownells.

[vladtepes 1,060]

so stock came loose... and the pin and spring interfered with the gun cycling.... where did the spring and pin go?

 

I had this stock before and I do not remember loctiting anything.. 

[HuntingPaper 62]

If you come to the Montclair area I'll be happy to help.

[checko 180]

so stock came loose... and the pin and spring interfered with the gun cycling.... where did the spring and pin go?

 

I had this stock before and I do not remember loctiting anything..

I loctite almost all my screws and threaded parts on my ar's (sights, rails on the handguard, castle nut, a2 tube screw, etc). I also don't hammer the endplates into the castle nut. Forget the actual term for it lol

 

OP I've had good luck with midway lately and I believe they have a $10 off sale atm

[raz-0 1,259]

so stock came loose... and the pin and spring interfered with the gun cycling.... where did the spring and pin go?

 

I had this stock before and I do not remember loctiting anything.. 

 

I usually hit it with a couple dots of vibratite. 

[mikeyboyeee 66]

Ordered what I needed xs 3

 

Will get this sorted out.

[checko 180]

Ordered what I needed xs 3

 

Will get this sorted out.

While you're at it, look into this

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/587468/dpms-ultimate-repair-kit-ar-15

 

Or into an extra lower parts kit if $ allows.

[T Bill 649]

I also don't hammer the endplates into the castle nut. Forget the actual term for it lol

 

 

Staking

[checko 180]

Staking

Yes. Thank you

[mikeyboyeee 66]

I ordered a few springs, few detents,few retraining pins just in case I goof again, lol.

 

Thanks for al the help.

[checko 180]

I ordered a few springs, few detents,few retraining pins just in case I goof again, lol.

 

Thanks for al the help.

 

Usually the pivot/takedown springs and detents are the ones littered around the house.  

[Alex V 99]

Im in EB if ur still having problems...  Id be willing to lend u a hand on the weekend if you need it.

 

 

 I also don't hammer the endplates into the castle nut. Forget the actual term for it lol
 

 

Im confused... Staking the castle nut is what you are supposed to do, and you dont and are proud of it?
 

[checko 180]

Im in EB if ur still having problems... Id be willing to lend u a hand on the weekend if you need it.

 

 

 

Im confused... Staking the castle nut is what you are supposed to do, and you dont and are proud of it?

 

Its not that I'm proud or not. The reason for staking the endplate is to make sure the castle nut doesn't wiggle off. This can also be accomplished with a little bit of blue loctite. Hasnt come off yet.

[mikeyboyeee 66]

OK, got my stuff and I think I am back in biz with some blue locktite. Will know when I shot it next week

Thanks for the help everyone.