iRescue 0 Posted June 26, 2013 Hi All, I think many not only on here, but across the state were upset and angered after the video about the Millburn violent break in was released Monday. I know it lit a fire under my rear to look at how I can better protect myself and my wife at home. So what are you doing differently? Me. I want to begin home carry. Every day when in home, I want to have my handgun at my side. Any tips for properly carrying a baby glock while wearing athletic shorts (normal summer wear at home for me) I also will be working with the Mrs to get her more comfortable on the guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 264 Posted June 26, 2013 IMO a baby glock is never going to be held up by a pair of athletic shorts. In that sort of attire I carry a smaller/lighter gun in a small generic blackhawk iwb holster. Size 0 or 1 iirc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted June 26, 2013 I am making home carry the rule when at home now. I used to do it now and again but now it's a commitment. That millburn HI really shook me up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tallday 10 Posted June 26, 2013 Should hold up if you got a carry belt and owb holster. This way you can take the belt off when you need to and the gun will always be on it. like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bianchi-Patroltek-Nylon-Police-Tactical-Inner-Belt-8105-/280674443068?pt=US_Women_s_Belts&var=&hash=item4159801f3c Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted June 26, 2013 i just told mom that as soon as her paperwork comes through, and she gets her p22, i'm getting her a holster, and defensive shooting lessons. then i'm gonna drag her to an outdoor range every weekend, to make sure she practices. i shall have a holster for my ria 1911cs, and will be wearing it constantly at home now. right now, when i get home, i load my remington 1911, and keep it in easy reach, as i don't have a holster for that one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brocglock23 4 Posted June 26, 2013 The only reason why I have my bodyguard 380 is for keeping it around me when I'm out in my kitchen or family room. I normally don't wear it inside but when I'm outside it's always on me. I'm trying to get my wife and mother into shooting. My mom is on board, wife not so much. Maybe her watching the video will change things. On a personal side note: That dude needs to be shot. Not jailed, not paroled. Shot, point blank, in the head. Multiple times. Anybody who would do that to another human is a P.O.S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jcddefreese 0 Posted June 26, 2013 I just came back from a business trip and saw the video. Horrific! That poor woman. I wish her and her family all the best. The assailant needs to be taken off the streets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barms 98 Posted June 26, 2013 This thread will be great. A year ago there was a good thread about where in the house you keep it (along with funny pictures of rifles in showers). But this thread about carrying while wearing gym shorts or mowing the lawn will be good Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jm1827 284 Posted June 26, 2013 That video was a turning point for my wife. After watching it yesterday she came to me and said "we have those guns upstairs in the safe and they are useless to me, I need to learn how to use them" I couldn't agree more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
triton200 0 Posted June 26, 2013 I feel for that woman and her family, but this is a great learning tool for us. We hear of home invasions but never SEE them. This changs the game. We need to use this to help others protect themselves and stop being sheeple thinking the police will be there when you need them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeffreyDV 4 Posted June 26, 2013 I know this has been discussed before, is it ok to carry within the confines of my property? I believe the answer to be yes but I just want to clarify. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted June 26, 2013 I know this has been discussed before, is it ok to carry within the confines of my property? I believe the answer to be yes but I just want to clarify. Thanks Yes you are permitted to carry on your property, place of business (if you're the owner), or any property you rent or lease. Edit: In God We Trust, all others bring data; 2C:39-6 e.Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair. For the purposes of this section, a place of business shall be deemed to be a fixed location. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted June 26, 2013 Yes you are permitted to carry on your property, place of business (if you're the owner), or any property you rent or lease. Edit: In God We Trust, all others bring data; 2C:39-6 CONCEALED OR OPEN? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlDente67 563 Posted June 26, 2013 I wonder though...if the lady assaulted did have a gun and used it, she would have the video to back up the incident. For those of us not running baby cams inside the house, what happens to us if we did the same? It would be word against word. Frankly, I'm nervous that the legal support that exists for criminals in a robbery/invasion/trespassing scenario is so stacked against us. If somebody busts in and comes at my family, and he gets shot dead, the relatives would come after me financially. If I shoot him in the leg as a deterrent, he very well may end up owning my house after the lawsuit. What do you think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blksheep 466 Posted June 26, 2013 I wonder though...if the lady assaulted did have a gun and used it, she would have the video to back up the incident. For those of us not running baby cams inside the house, what happens to us if we did the same? It would be word against word. Frankly, I'm nervous that the legal support that exists for criminals in a robbery/invasion/trespassing scenario is so stacked against us. If somebody busts in and comes at my family, and he gets shot dead, the relatives would come after me financially. If I shoot him in the leg as a deterrent, he very well may end up owning my house after the lawsuit. What do you think? Shoot him in the leg? Real life is not hollywood. You shoot to stop center mass if it is given. Are you going to worry about material things when lives arre at stake? The problem with people today is they are worried about what material things they can lose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlDente67 563 Posted June 26, 2013 Shoot him in the leg? Real life is not hollywood. You shoot to stop center mass if it is given. Are you going to worry about material things when lives arre at stake? The problem with people today is they are worried about what material things they can lose. I see your point, but my accuracy in that situation may not be ideal. It isn't something I can practice at the range. What if I just would him and he limps outside, police arrive and arrest him, but then he finds a lawyer. Now I need a better lawyer at $400 an hour and up just to try to avoid losing a suit. There is a difference between material things like the TV and material things like the entire house, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted June 26, 2013 CONCEALED OR OPEN? NJ does not distinguish between open and concealed carry. Carry is carry. I wouldn't mow my lawn with an AR strapped on my back due to the likelihood of someone calling the police on me, but you could. I am not a lawyer, but from what from what I read on justifiable use of deadly force you must be in your dwelling. Personally, If I'm retreating and being chased by an armed assailant on my property, I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6. I have an inside waistband holster for my subcompact. With a t-shirt it's only noticeable if you bend over. I wonder though...if the lady assaulted did have a gun and used it, she would have the video to back up the incident. For those of us not running baby cams inside the house, what happens to us if we did the same? It would be word against word. Frankly, I'm nervous that the legal support that exists for criminals in a robbery/invasion/trespassing scenario is so stacked against us. If somebody busts in and comes at my family, and he gets shot dead, the relatives would come after me financially. If I shoot him in the leg as a deterrent, he very well may end up owning my house after the lawsuit. What do you think? If some skel kicks in your door and you pop him, what loss of income are they going to come after you for? The money he'd make from fencing your stuff to a pawn shop? If they filed I'd assume it would get tossed, but who knows in our lawsuit happy society. :unknw: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
triton200 0 Posted June 26, 2013 they would sue for loss of welfare checks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teky0101 6 Posted June 26, 2013 In addition to home carry many people forget about the basics such a strong doors, door bolts and having a kick plate. Also making sure all windows and doors are locked during the day when you are home. Another thing to think about is a safe room where you can hold up and call the police if there is trouble. If its a nightime scenario you can add outdoor security cameras and motion sensor lights and keep the feed in your safe room to see what is going on. I hope this helps! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted June 26, 2013 I wouldn't shoot in the leg. If you're going nonlethal just use pepper spray. I would shoot to kill. FMJ is for the range. Hollow points are what are loaded at home. Safer round and more stopping power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jauslong 0 Posted June 26, 2013 They could use for loss of consortium (look it up), and wrongful death. It doesn't have to be about loss of income for a civil suit. Has anyone ever heard of a real case where a home invader's family sued for civil liability? This seems more urban legend than anything else. Plaintiff's lawyers typically work on contingency in these types of cases, and any reasonable attorney wouldn't bother to spend the time and money on a case like that. Seems like a clear loser. Then again. I see some real crap cases all the time, so I guess nothing would surprise me. Lawyers are expensive, but, in a case like that, I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't get someone to give you a discounted rate or pro bono. Just don't expect to get Johnny Cochran on your team. Instead you'll just get a smart, young associate eager to try his first case (like me). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 264 Posted June 26, 2013 If you shoot someone in your home, expect to spend at minimum $30k to defend yourself in both civil and criminal court. You should not take the decision to use deadly force lightly, HOWEVER, if it is needed to defend yourself or your family, the price is irrelevant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clintoon Eastwood 2 Posted June 26, 2013 Did this video make influence you to ask this question? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,766 Posted June 26, 2013 Has anyone ever heard of a real case where a home invader's family sued for civil liability? This seems more urban legend than anything else. O.J. Simpson. ;-). Thankfully, he's trying to find the real killer... even after all these years... And from behind bars... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iRescue 0 Posted June 26, 2013 Thank you all for the responses so far..I think the various home invasion scenarios and legality of home carry has been addressed on here several times...hoping to get us back on track. Home Carry. What holsters do you use if you carry on body. I'm looking for some sort of good quality belly band to wear when I'm hanging around in athletic shorts (my thought ill be more likely to consistently carry if I can continue wearing my normal attire. If you just carry nearby [couch table, bookcase,,etc) what do you put it in? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,635 Posted June 26, 2013 Regarding Bellybands - In my experience bellyband type holsters just plain suck except for a very few, very specific set of circumstances where they "may" be necessary to accomplish your concealment needs. Carrying in your home isn't really one of them. They are uncomfortable and slow to draw from, little to no retention, inconsistent draw... Did I mention that they are uncomfortable and slow? I think a fanny pack would make the most sense for what you are saying you want with the limitations you are stating. Athletic shorts are going to be tough to carry in. Loose waistband, minimal pockets, no provision for a belt. If you are serious about it you may need to dress around your carry style. With certain clothing choices you can design a carry method around the clothes. Unfortunately athletic shorts really don't give you a lot of options to work with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,766 Posted June 26, 2013 I just bought a Clipdraw for my G19 and am testing it out around the house. For "heightened" situations like power outages (Sandy), I had it in a belt-mounted BlackHawk along with a 2 mag pouch for a total of 45 rounds on my person. Backup mags are placed safetly in hidden locations throughout the house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketman64 0 Posted June 27, 2013 i just told mom that as soon as her paperwork comes through, and she gets her p22, i'm getting her a holster, and defensive shooting lessons. then i'm gonna drag her to an outdoor range every weekend, to make sure she practices. i shall have a holster for my ria 1911cs, and will be wearing it constantly at home now. right now, when i get home, i load my remington 1911, and keep it in easy reach, as i don't have a holster for that one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
this_is_nascar 162 Posted June 27, 2013 I will not carry at home, mostly due to the fact, that I'm fearful that I'd leave the house and forget I was carrying. Not a situation you'd want to find yourself in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites