German Shepherd dog

[checko 180]

How about rescue one you can find young ones through german shep rescues

 

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There are thousands of dogs that need homes.  I volunteered for a boxer rescue for a while.  So many great dogs ready for a home. 

[pbkid6974 1]

i know this thread is old but i figure i'd revive it instead of starting a new one. i'm looking for either a gsd or belgian malinois. anyone have recommendations for breeders in the region? i don't mind driving a while to pick up my pup. I know some of you will try to sway me into a rescue and if i can find a young puppy i'll go that route but i'd really like to be the dogs first and only owner. i don't want to miss out on the puppy experience because lets face it, it may be aggravating sometimes (when the eat all your stuff and poop in your shoes) but that's one of the best parts of owning a dog.

[ogfarmer 138]

Plenty of GS pups on petfinder too

[pbkid6974 1]

Plenty of GS pups on petfinder too

my only problem with them is a lot of them are mixes or come from questionable backgrounds... about the only mix id want is a gsd/malinois/dutch shep mix of some kind...

[ogfarmer 138]

gotcha,

[ogfarmer 138]

I hope your just visiting and not stuck back here

[pbkid6974 1]

didnt you read my location? i got let go from my job down in NC so i decided to come back and go back to school. now i need a puppy to make me feel better.

[fishnut 2,358]

For the life of me I can not remember the name of the place on RT 12 in kingwood that breeds European bloodline GSD. They also do allot of advanced training. I don't have any first hand experience with them but I have heard good things about their dogs. its worth taking a ride over there as its close. Its on your right on rt 12 cant miss it they have some signs and 2 or 3 wood GSD statues right next to the road. The name starts with an A I think 

[mikeyjones 88]

Pm me. I went through a lot of research before getting our boy. Dealt with some shady people along the way and got a very healthy pup in the end.

I love our 1 year old.



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[ogfarmer 138]

For the life of me I can not remember the name of the place on RT 12 in kingwood that breeds European bloodline GSD. They also do allot of advanced training. I don't have any first hand experience with them but I have heard good things about their dogs. its worth taking a ride over there as its close. Its on your right on rt 12 cant miss it they have some signs and 2 or 3 wood GSD statues right next to the road. The name starts with an A I think 

is that the place just before the NJSP barracks?

 

 

PB I saw that but wasnt sure if it was temp or not. I know the dog make you feel better thing. I got my Aussie cattle/ blue heeler pup for similar reasons

[pbkid6974 1]

For the life of me I can not remember the name of the place on RT 12 in kingwood that breeds European bloodline GSD. They also do allot of advanced training. I don't have any first hand experience with them but I have heard good things about their dogs. its worth taking a ride over there as its close. Its on your right on rt 12 cant miss it they have some signs and 2 or 3 wood GSD statues right next to the road. The name starts with an A I think 

i know the place you're talking about. only problem is i don't live in flemington anymore. i moved in with my dad in monmouth county. maybe i'll take a ride one day next week seeing as i'm still waiting for my interview for a county job and waiting on my transcripts to get the school thing rolling.

[fishnut 2,358]

Yes that's the place I am think of OG

[Sandy 44]

Mine , Alvin VonShelterDog , tossed out in Newark when he was about 3 months old. He is monorchid so probably some jerk who could not breed him just rolled him out.


He is my 9th German Shepherd , the 1st that is rescued. All my others since 1974 or so all came from DDR lines , all imports from either Germany or out west USA which even then 1st or 2nd generation DDR lines. Nuts and prey drive through the roof until they mature at about 2 or 3 years old. So if you invest in working lines expect a harder than usual puppy period. 

Stay away from USA or British showlines like the plague.

[silverado427 10,719]

Mine , Alvin VonShelterDog , tossed out in Newark when he was about 3 months old. He is monorchid so probably some jerk who could not breed him just rolled him out.

 

He is my 9th German Shepherd , the 1st that is rescued. All my others since 1974 or so all came from DDR lines , all imports from either Germany or out west USA which even then 1st or 2nd generation DDR lines. Nuts and prey drive through the roof until they mature at about 2 or 3 years old. So if you invest in working lines expect a harder than usual puppy period. 

 

Stay away from USA or British showlines like the plague.

nice dog

[pbkid6974 1]

Mine , Alvin VonShelterDog , tossed out in Newark when he was about 3 months old. He is monorchid so probably some jerk who could not breed him just rolled him out.

He is my 9th German Shepherd , the 1st that is rescued. All my others since 1974 or so all came from DDR lines , all imports from either Germany or out west USA which even then 1st or 2nd generation DDR lines. Nuts and prey drive through the roof until they mature at about 2 or 3 years old. So if you invest in working lines expect a harder than usual puppy period. 

Stay away from USA or British showlines like the plague.

I'm trying to stay away from show lines period.

 

Anyone know anything about the long haired gsd? From what I've been reading they are usually a bit larger but have straight backs which would lead me to believe they have less health problems. Is there any merit to this?

[Sandy 44]

They actually all have straight backs unless they are roach backed which is really only common in German show lines . What you are referring to is the frog look which comes from severe angles in the haunches. Their back appears to slope down like a hill . When these dogs are not stacked in a show position they often look square . It messes up their gait though and their back legs get real unstable. There is actually no direct correlation to sever angles and hip dysplasia , however you really only see these angles in American and British show lines , so if you stay away from show lines I would not worry about it. 

For American bred good GSDs I recommend http://www.wildhauskennels.com/

Honestly , I am a bit of a purist when it comes to this breed and as far as I am concerned if a dog can't title in Schutzhund or IPO , they should not be bred. There are plenty of good solid dogs , young ones , that can be had through a rescue . It is rolling the dice with health and temperament. GSDs because of pet and show quality breeding are now plagued with health issues and can get snippy. A beagle that is snippy? Pain in the ass. A GSD that is snippy? 80 stitiches on your kid's face or worse.

I had my dog temper tested before I adopted him , and we could tell by his bone structure ,coloration , build , and head set that he was propbably a mix of German Show and West German Working Lines. German Show lines are the only show lines I would touch , because in Germany in order to compete in show they have to title in Schutzhund as well. A dog that can title in Schutzhund in Germany is solid temperament and has good body structure. These over sized American GSDs that people breed could never do the tasks , take downs , chases , bite work etc that the breed was bred to do.

[Sandy 44]

Oh , and long hair is fine. Some working lines have long hair gene . They are pretty horrific shedders ..even when their hair is short. Just keep that in mind lol 

[RUTGERS95 890]

forget the breeders, go save a dog please

[pbkid6974 1]

forget the breeders, go save a dog please

I'm not looking to make someone elses problem mine. I know a lot of good dogs come from rescues but I'm not one willing to take my chances when I know what I want in a dog. If I wanted some sort of pit mix I would.

[EWC88 24]

I don't know this person at all, was out getting ice cream with my gf and saw this guy with a GS pup so since I've always had them I approached it. Got to talking to the guy for awhile about his pup and he was saying he breeds them and as all sales people just saying what you wanna hear. I've been wanting to go check his place out to get full detail on it but haven't yet.

 

His website is crosskeysk9.com

 

RUTGERS95- how's the pup?! Been meaning to text you about her and more pictures but been so busy!

[Dan 177]

I'm not trying to worry you, but to inform. If you haven't had one before, getting a GSD is akin to getting a high performance racing vehicle. They perform extremely well but needs lots of maintenance and work. Socialization, obedience training, daily exercise/training, and SHEDDING. Add to that, no matter how good of lines and breeder you use, there is always a chance of getting nabbed by some time-bomb polygenetic hereditary disease no matter how clean the pup's genetic tree is.

 

We used a very well known working-line dog breeder and got hit with an elbow UAP (ununited anconeal process) when our dog was a puppy. We could have "returned her" for another puppy, but at 5mos old, we already loved the hell out of her. $1500 surgery and some time later, she was perfectly fine , and still is 7 years later with that elbow. The breeder was so shocked he footed the bill to take her to his own specialist for confirmation after our vet diagnosed the issue. He did go half with us on the medical costs since we decided to keep her.

 

She also has another type of hereditary disease that involves one of the hind connecting muscles atrophying , and causes her to favor one leg over the other. This causes her to bunny hop off the one leg to compensate for the other. Her hips are fine as confirmed by x-rays. The only thing we can do is to not work or play with her too hard, as in lots of running. Its tough as that's what she loves to do.

 

All that aside, she is the best dog ever. Great with kids, loves to play, absolutely loves people almost to the point excess. Excellent alerting dog, she is always on the lookout and alerts us to anything touching our property. My wife feels really safe at home alone with her. The bark and looks alone are akin to the good ole pump shotgun sound to anyone approaching the door. She is very obedient (results of a lot of fair training of course). Everyone that comes over my house wants to steal her from me. I wouldn't trade her for anything.

 

In the end they have a lot to give, but even if you have zero health issues, there is a lot to put in to get it back.

[mikeyjones 88]

I'm not trying to worry you, but to inform. If you haven't had one before, getting a GSD is akin to getting a high performance racing vehicle. They perform extremely well but needs lots of maintenance and work. Socialization, obedience training, daily exercise/training, and SHEDDING. Add to that, no matter how good of lines and breeder you use, there is always a chance of getting nabbed by some time-bomb polygenetic hereditary disease no matter how clean the pup's genetic tree is.

 

 

I can confirm that part.  If you don't vacuum at least 2x a week, you will have dog hair all over everything in your house.  You'd be amazed some of the place the stuff gets into.

[pbkid6974 1]

I don't mind the hair. My only problem right now is my stepmoms plans to spoil the pup. She works a lot so I'm not too worried about it since I'll leave at the same time for work and got home before her

[Walt of Destiny 412]

I'm not looking to make someone elses problem mine. I know a lot of good dogs come from rescues but I'm not one willing to take my chances when I know what I want in a dog. If I wanted some sort of pit mix I would.

 

Have you had a dog in the past and more specifically, a GSD? Most rescue GSD end up as rescues because they need a firm hand and an owner willing to work with them. If they get bored, or worse, become the alpha in the house, then you will have a problem. No question.

 

Think it through, it's a commitment and a long one.

 

My long hair(plush or fuzzy or whatever) weighs about 110# and was MRI'd for the hip thing. Remember it's not if, but when it will crop up. Anyone that tells you different is selling you something. The best you can hope for is for the dog to live its normal life span without any serious problems. A little care in the first year also helps. Especially stairs.

 

They are a lot of work, but the rewards are great.

 

I agree with most of the comments regarding certain show lines. Germans show the dog and the dog must perform the work as well. Most good breeders will get some German lines into their lines every so often to maintain the temperament. I've also seen some pure German lines that were less than desirable. Bruno is my first long hair. I think I'll stick with long hairs from now on. He's a little different than my other GSDs. For the better, I think. But he hates the water, as most long hairs do because the gene actually deletes the greasy top coat that repels water so they get wet to the skin. A dog PFD is a must on a boat.

 

There is a guy in flemington that has some rescues and does training. Before getting one, why not visit him and have a talk with the dogs around?

 

K9 academy. Ed Przybylski, good guy. Straight shooter.

 

Bruno, enjoying the shade at the shore...

 

 

 

 

 

[pbkid6974 1]

i found http://www.jagermeistershepherds.com/. his site looks good and he seems to know what hes doing with the german lines. best of all hes about 10 min away from where i live now. ill probably shoot him an email.

[mikeyjones 88]

i found http://www.jagermeistershepherds.com/. his site looks good and he seems to know what hes doing with the german lines. best of all hes about 10 min away from where i live now. ill probably shoot him an email.

 

 

Dude, did you read ANY of my PM? 

[mikeyjones 88]

I'll post this here as a warning to fellow members and since I already took the time to write it up.

 

I'll give you a bit of background on the crap that we went through when i was looking for my dog. It took me almost a year to finally get the puppy. Most reputable breeders will have a waiting list for their puppies and you'll be able to choose which litter you want your dog from.

 

My buddy and I both wanted to get GSD's so we started looking.  He went to some backyard breeders (which will save you coin, but you don't know what you're getting) - I was flat out against that.

 

After some research, I came to the conclusion that I need a west German line dog - preferably show line (they are typically better temperament and in my opinion better colored dogs).  Also as was mentioned in the thread, they have to be Schutzhund or IPO certified to be show dogs in Germany.  My dog's Sire is SzhH3 Kk1 IPO and the Dame is SchH1 Kk1 IPO (both were born in Germany). The working line dogs are typically MUCH more hyper (which you might think you want now, but you also need to be able to train the dog and housebreak it). 

 

After doing some more research we came across a breeder named Carlos Rojas (another forum member can also attest to this story) - STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THIS GUY!!!!!!!!!!  He runs an operation called Jagermeister Shephers http://www.jagermeistershepherds.com/   He is a crook and a scumbag.   -  He convinced us when we visited him that it would be OK to get an Eastern European working line dog.  So we put a deposit down on a dog that was supposed to be born in roughly a month. A month came and went, with no dog.  He wouldn't answer calls, emails, texts, etc for weeks at a time.  It was easier to communicate with the dead than with guy.  He finally got back to us and made up some BS that the dog lost her litter - fine, we'll wait another month.  Month came and went again, still same shit. Then we started harassing him to get our 500 deposit back, eventually after about another 4-5 months we finally got it back.  It was only because my buddy's wife is a lawyer and threatened legal action.

 

Moral of that story is he's a scumbag and not to do business with him.  He might well be reputable trainer (considering he claims he wins all of these championships) but you want a breeder that you can actually get a hold of in the event something isn't right with your dog. 

 

So while we were waiting to get our money back, I found another reputable breeder in upstate NY.  Vom Kammer Kennels.  We went to go visit and were amazed by the dogs, they were extremely smart, coloring was perfect, sires and dams imported from western germany, basically everything we were looking for in a dog.  My buddy and I immediately put down deposits on 2 half brothers that were going to be born at the same time (same sire, different dams). Everything went smoothly, dogs were born when they were supposed to be, we even got pictures of the litters.  8 weeks later we take a trip up there, pick the dogs up and bring them home. We each spent $2k on dogs, plus all of the vet bills, etc.  All in you're looking close to $3k with shots, toys, food for first month.

 

This is where the story get's a little weird. My pup was perfectly healthy from day 1. He grew at a crazy pace (considering he was double the size of a reg puppy when he was born, it was all the more impressive).  My buddy's puppy started having weird issues, like constant diarrhea from the first day.  Took it to the vet, after about 3 different trips, they found that its kidney was failing.  Breeder claimed that it was my buddy's fault and responsibility is on him.  After reminding her (the breeder) that NY law states she has to pay up to the cost of the puppy the vet bills if it gets sick within 14 days, she agreed ONLY if they took it to her vet upstate (which was a big red flag in my mind, but my buddy did anyways).   The breeder cut him a check for the cost of the puppy and he would bring the money back to her if the puppy was healthy.  Before he could deposit or cash the check, she stopped payment on it.  So my buddy was out a dog and $2k.  However, at that time he found out his wife is pregnant with twins so they never really pursued anything.  

 

The reason I tell that story is as a reminder that even very reputable and established breeders can do shady shit.  Also, know your rights and the laws. In NJ the breeder has to pay up to the cost of the puppy for any medical expenses AT ANY VET.  

 

I'm sure I'm leaving stuff out because this whole process lasted almost a year.  But I have tons of research and a wealth of information if you need any. 

 

[pbkid6974 1]

Dude, did you read ANY of my PM?

 

I just read your pm now. Guess that guy is out.

[bry@n 195]

I dealt with Carlos and I was in line right behind Mikeyjones. I went through the wait and was happy with the outcome. My dog is on the smaller side 70lbs at just under 10mos but overall he's exactly what I wanted.

 

Sheds like crazy, lovable and good with people. He is a typical GSD puppy that barks but once he greets them all is okay.

 

My only issue is my dog only dropped one testicle. According to them the dog had dropped both but one must have retracted. Not sure I will argue that at the 12-18 month mark when I would need to get him neutered by.

[mikeyjones 88]

I dealt with Carlos and I was in line right behind Mikeyjones. I went through the wait and was happy with the outcome. My dog is on the smaller side 70lbs at just under 10mos but overall he's exactly what I wanted.

 

Sheds like crazy, lovable and good with people. He is a typical GSD puppy that barks but once he greets them all is okay.

 

My only issue is my dog only dropped one testicle. According to them the dog had dropped both but one must have retracted. Not sure I will argue that at the 12-18 month mark when I would need to get him neutered by.

I'm glad everything turned out well for you. I has happy as hell to get my money back and never have to deal with carlos again.

 

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