Colt 1911 or tupperware?

[twong11219 0]

Two PPs accounted for. Got one PP left to decide on something. I've been thinking about this for some time now. Thought I'd drop this on the forum to help me decide.

 

Which should I get?

 

Colt 1911 (thinking of a Gold Cup Trophy, Delta Elite, or a basic Series 70 which ultimately be saved for a custom build by some reputable 1911 master gunsmith). Must be a Colt brand base for the build.

 

or

 

Tupperware (USP Compact, XDM, or M&P)

 

Other than my 92FS, I don't really have anything modern. I've tried to like the Glock, but it just won't grow on me. Three attempts is enough to throw in the towel on that option. The HK has a horrible trigger which I'll need to look into fixing that problem. Was considering the XDM Competition if going that route.

 

For the ppl that choose the 1911, what would be your recommendation for a build? My only concern with the GCT is that it comes already with a beavertail which I want replaced with an EB one. Worried there's not enough metal left to fit the EB. The GCT also comes with a target rear sight that I don't like seated so far back. I'd like the sight blade to sit flush with the rear of the slide. Might be the better buy to get the basic no frills 1911 and save a couple bucks for the build.

 

I know this is comparing apples to oranges. Maybe that's why it's hard to decide.

 

Thanks for your input.

[lunker 274]

The target sights on the Colt GCT have a roll pin you always have to watch out for. It's always working its way loose. The Series 70 Repro and 1918 Black Army are really nice, but have zero modern amenities (i.e. beavertails, usable rear sight, hammer bite, etc).

[acaixguard 37]

Amongst everything you've listed, I'd go with either the series 70 reissue and save up for a full custom job by a good smith, or the M&P.

The series 70 is a great base gun which many top smiths love to build on. But be warned that having a properly built 1911 that has quality components and proper fitting will not be cheap. I don't care what anyone says...you WILL NOT have a quality 1911 that means modern reliability criteria without spending at least $2K on a new one. Many people may piss and moan at that statement, but it's the truth.

The M&P is probably one of the better modern guns you can get today. Improving the trigger on it is easy enough if you decide you don't like the factory one.

If you're considering a 9mm striker gun, I'd highly suggest a Walther PPQ as well. Avoid the XD series.

[twong11219 0]

Good to know. I have a Bomar sight saved in my tool box that may eventually see daylight again. Not overly concerned of the lack of modern amenities as the gunsmith would take care of that. Based on my last build and discussion with the gunsmith, majority of the parts are usually discarded anyway. Luckily for that one, the gunsmith only received a barebone slide and frame. So that was built from the ground up.

[2Alpha 6]

why not just get a couple of 1911 frames.  Then have the smith build up from there

[twong11219 0]

Thanks for the input on the XDs. I hear a lot of complaints about the trigger so little hesitant on that. HKs seem to need a match trigger to have a decent trigger. I've used my friend's PPQ and do like it very much. The trigger out of the box is way better than my experience with the Glocks. Just want to try and be different.

 

I am well aware of the price tags that come with customs. I own a CT Brian 1911 which he built for me off a Caspian slide and frame I had the mfg mail directly to him. Had him put every bell and whistle on it. I wish it was built off a Colt though. He wouldn't work on my Series 80 as it already had some work done to it. I understood his reasoning. If I was going to put my name on something, I want it to be all my work.

[twong11219 0]

why not just get a couple of 1911 frames. Then have the smith build up from there

Like my daughter says, I want a pony. Lol! If it's a 1911, I want to stick to a modernized classic from the original maker. Already have 2 1911s. Looking for an heirloom piece. Hint hint, Mag1.

 

Besides, I don't think Colt sells only slide and frames. You can only get them complete.

[checko 180]

1911 70 ftw

[Tunaman 548]

Please check this review out.  I bought one in Stainless and just love it.  http://tacticalgunreview.com/blog/2012/07/consumer-gun-review-sig-sauer-1911-xo/

[twong11219 0]

Please check this review out. I bought one in Stainless and just love it. http://tacticalgunreview.com/blog/2012/07/consumer-gun-review-sig-sauer-1911-xo/

Thanks for the info. Only pony, no phony. No pun intended. No doubt that Sig will run like a top, especially with the external extractor. Considering the original mfg if I go the 1911 route again.

[buell508 6]

you can buy the M&P install apex trigger,and still have $ left over for ammo.

I still would like a s&w pc 1911 

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

The target sights on the Colt GCT have a roll pin you always have to watch out for. It's always working its way loose.

 Chris:

 

That was a common problem with GC's equipped with Elliason rear sights. I'm not sure when they stopped using Elliason's, but I doubt that the current BoMar copies exhibit the same problem.

 

I n the 80's I shot a series 70 Gold Cup in IPSC. I put well over 15K rounds of major ammo through it with no problem with the stock sights.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[Tunaman 548]

Thanks for the info. Only pony, no phony. No pun intended. No doubt that Sig will run like a top, especially with the external extractor. Considering the original mfg if I go the 1911 route again.

The only reason I thought you might like it because it says "The only parts that are not standard issue Colt is the extractor assembly."

[2Alpha 6]

Sounds like you have made your decision, get a colt

[FLHX 1]

I also bought a Sig 1911 in the traditional series and I have put a few thousand rounds through it and have yet to have a single malfunction. They are based on the 80 frame but to me and this being my first 1911 it didn't bother me. I bought it for the way it looks and it is a sweet looking pistol. I have shot USPSA single stack a few times and it has served me well.

[TheWombat 67]

Two PPs accounted for. Got one PP left to decide on something. I've been thinking about this for some time now. Thought I'd drop this on the forum to help me decide.

 

Which should I get?

 

Colt 1911 (thinking of a Gold Cup Trophy, Delta Elite, or a basic Series 70 which ultimately be saved for a custom build by some reputable 1911 master gunsmith). Must be a Colt brand base for the build.

 

or

 

Tupperware (USP Compact, XDM, or M&P)

 

Other than my 92FS, I don't really have anything modern. I've tried to like the Glock, but it just won't grow on me. Three attempts is enough to throw in the towel on that option. The HK has a horrible trigger which I'll need to look into fixing that problem. Was considering the XDM Competition if going that route.

 

For the ppl that choose the 1911, what would be your recommendation for a build? My only concern with the GCT is that it comes already with a beavertail which I want replaced with an EB one. Worried there's not enough metal left to fit the EB. The GCT also comes with a target rear sight that I don't like seated so far back. I'd like the sight blade to sit flush with the rear of the slide. Might be the better buy to get the basic no frills 1911 and save a couple bucks for the build.

 

I know this is comparing apples to oranges. Maybe that's why it's hard to decide.

 

Thanks for your input.

 

Walther PPQ - best tupperware 9mm....

 

:-)

 

TheWombat

[twong11219 0]

So majority is leaning to the 1911. 2 votes for the M&P and 2 for the PPQ. I do love the 1911s. Just a timeless classic.

 

My original Colt is a Series 80. Due to a slide mishap, a Caspian slide sits on tip now. I removed the firing pin safety mechanism and added the spacer. I don't even remember how the trigger pull was originally. All I do know is trigger tuning costs more on an 80. I assume more parts to polish and more time to tune everything.

[OMGCUSTOMGUNS 0]

FWIW, I have a used Delta in stock.  PM me if you're interested.  It's in my vendor forum.

 

They are great guns, by the way.

 

Rick.

[Vlad G 345]

I personally wouldn't give Colt a dime, seeing how they've treated the civilian market for the last decade. You can buy a quality 1911 from 20 places seem to really want to do business with you.   There is nothing about colt that sets them apart anymore, except the height at which they carry their nose.

 

For main question, of 1911 vs something else, the question is like asking Jeep Rubicon vs Subaru BRZ.  They are both cars, they are both excellent, and they are both good purchases, but they are also very different.

 

BTW, I vote M&P with parts replaced .

[BullzeyeNJ 104]

1911 all the way

 

But thats coming from me!

[Bob2222 316]

I have a 1911 and a BHP and both are much more accurate than I am.

 

But the 1911 design is more than 102 years old and the BHP design is more than 78 years old. The Colt WW1 reproduction is #1 on my list for the next time I have a spare purchase permit -- so I can't argue against a Colt. 

 

If I lived in a free state and had a carry permit, neither design would be my first choice. But I don't.

[twong11219 0]

I personally wouldn't give Colt a dime, seeing how they've treated the civilian market for the last decade. You can buy a quality 1911 from 20 places seem to really want to do business with you. There is nothing about colt that sets them apart anymore, except the height at which they carry their nose.

I thought someone would bring this up eventually. Yes, Colt has a tainted history with the civilian population, but didn't S&W do the same at another time?

[twong11219 0]

1911 all the way

 

But thats coming from me!

Lol! I'd expect no less from you.

[bhunted 887]

This is my next 45.. The Kimber Warrior SOC..

May be out of your price range...

[bhunted 887]

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Bhp

 

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[lunker 274]

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Browning High Power

[bhunted 887]

Browning High Power

Thanks! Brain little off.. miss mine.. Sorry I sold it.

[twong11219 0]

I was always interested in the BHP too. I was considering a Belgium made Browning. Not the US made or FNC. Was looking for the Mark II or Mark III as it had a thicker front strap that would allow 40 lpi checkering. Morris Customs and Today do beautiful work.

 

Bullzeye showed me a Yost SRT BHP a while back. Sad to say, the price was too high and no PP.

[twong11219 0]

Doing some more research on the 10mm, and it seems like if I were to go that route, it looks like a Delta Elite will be more of a safe queen as the rounds are not cheap or common. Is current mkt pricing still inflated for 10mm ammo or just regular prices? Seems like a dying caliber. For the Delta Elite to be practical too, I'd need to configure it for dual caliber 10 and 40.

[lunker 274]

Doing some more research on the 10mm, and it seems like if I were to go that route, it looks like a Delta Elite will be more of a safe queen as the rounds are not cheap or common. Is current mkt pricing still inflated for 10mm ammo or just regular prices? Seems like a dying caliber. For the Delta Elite to be practical too, I'd need to configure it for dual caliber 10 and 40.

You could buy a 40 barrel for the Delta and have it fitted by a gunsmith. 40 works fine in 10mm mags. 10mm is a reloader's caliber, or for someone looking for bear protection. My personal experience was that the Glock 20 and S&W 10XX series were the only common 10mm semi-autos truly built to withstand full power (aka the fun stuff) loads. I always felt like my 1911's were beating themselves up and wouldn't last. If you want to spend 2k then you can look at the CZ and STI offerings. STI has a cool longslide 1911 called The Perfect 10. CZ's custom 10mm is even nicer.