stagehand632 0 Posted October 9, 2013 Hey guys is there a holster draw course that is accepted by everyone? I don't know if the NRA has one that ranges would accept. It really annoys me that everyone wants you to pay to prove you know how to do it. I totally agree that you should have be evaluated to show you can do it safely and properly trained. And I'm ok with be charged a small evaluation fee for it. But not be forced to take a course at each range. Example at RTSP you have to take their simunitions course and have a high passing score. Or defensive handgun ($275). At Gun for hire you have to have taken urban pistol 1 ($225) or their holster draw course ($125). All these are great courses if you need to lean how to do it but what if you already know how to? What if I took Urban pistol 1 at GFH and want to use my holster at RTSP. You can't!! because, correct me if I'm wrong they won't honor it. I should not have to pay to prove my skills at each place. This is the reason the NRA created their courses so there would be a standard accepted by everyone. And while I do like ranges offering a variety of specialty/boutique classes there need to be some cross reciprocation of training between ranges. Especially in the case of these two cause they are friendly with each other and in fact I used to take my GFH courses at RTSP. So they must respect each other's training. Member NJ2AS Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted October 9, 2013 Eh? I'm confused .. why do you need a course or a certification again? Are you saying that ranges don't allow you to draw from a holster without some sort of diploma? Join a private club, a bit less BS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted October 9, 2013 Rules might have changed at RTSP..... It used to be just get checked out by RO and then cleared for holster draw, but with the growth of the range, they might have had to become stricter in their qualifications.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stagehand632 0 Posted October 9, 2013 Eh? I'm confused .. why do you need a course or a certification again? Are you saying that ranges don't allow you to draw from a holster without some sort of diploma? Join a private club, a bit less BS. Yes they require a certification to holster draw. I'm sure it is probably an insurance issue. I would love to join a private club like shongum but have you seen the waiting list. It looks like it would be years before I would get in. Member NJ2AS Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted October 9, 2013 I wonder if any would accept your qualification status if you participate in IDPA or USPSA ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AverageJoe 95 Posted October 9, 2013 Hey guys is there a holster draw course that is accepted by everyone? I don't know if the NRA has one that ranges would accept. It really annoys me that everyone wants you to pay to prove you know how to do it. I totally agree that you should have be evaluated to show you can do it safely and properly trained. And I'm ok with be charged a small evaluation fee for it. But not be forced to take a course at each range. Example at RTSP you have to take their simunitions course and have a high passing score. Or defensive handgun ($275). At Gun for hire you have to have taken urban pistol 1 ($225) or their holster draw course ($125). All these are great courses if you need to lean how to do it but what if you already know how to? What if I took Urban pistol 1 at GFH and want to use my holster at RTSP. You can't!! because, correct me if I'm wrong they won't honor it. I should not have to pay to prove my skills at each place. This is the reason the NRA created their courses so there would be a standard accepted by everyone. And while I do like ranges offering a variety of specialty/boutique classes there need to be some cross reciprocation of training between ranges. Especially in the case of these two cause they are friendly with each other and in fact I used to take my GFH courses at RTSP. So they must respect each other's training. Member NJ2AS Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free RTSP will also accept a certification proving you've taken A course...just bring it and show it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted October 9, 2013 RTSP will also accept a certification proving you've taken A course...just bring it and show it. Is an IDPA or USPSA card acceptable? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AverageJoe 95 Posted October 9, 2013 Is an IDPA or USPSA card acceptable? Best bet is to call and check first, ask for Jan, he teaches their course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stagehand632 0 Posted October 9, 2013 RTSP will also accept a certification proving you've taken A course...just bring it and show it. Good to know!!! How does that work? Is this something you will keep on file or do I have to bring it every time? I don't want to get screamed at if I'm standing on the line drawing from a holster every time having to explain I have permission. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted October 9, 2013 Good to know!!! How does that work? Is this something you will keep on file or do I have to bring it every time? I don't want to get screamed at if I'm standing on the line drawing from a holster every time having to explain I have permission. They will put a sticker on your member card...... and each time you come, you ask for a Red card, that goes onto a velcro strip on the port letting the RO know you are good to go Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dh-wp 0 Posted October 9, 2013 Is an IDPA or USPSA card acceptable? I believe either of these cards are acceptable at the GFH Woodland Park Range. Just ask. Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Tapatalk 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olderguy 0 Posted October 9, 2013 GFH will put a sticker on your membership card once you are certified and you can hang your card in the lanyard supplied when you are shooting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stagehand632 0 Posted October 9, 2013 GFH will put a sticker on your membership card once you are certified and you can hang your card in the lanyard supplied when you are shooting. They will put a sticker on your member card...... and each time you come, you ask for a Red card, that goes onto a velcro strip on the port letting the RO know you are good to go I am not a member at either location so I don't have membership cards. So how does that work? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olderguy 0 Posted October 9, 2013 I am not a member at either location so I don't have membership cards. So how does that work? Join. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brownie^HP 6 Posted October 9, 2013 Heritage Guild in Easton offers a course that includes drawing from a holster. You have to take it before you can use their new tactical range, its a $100 for members. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AverageJoe 95 Posted October 9, 2013 I am not a member at either location so I don't have membership cards. So how does that work? IIRC everyone (members and non members) get a profile put into the computer system...it would then be entered into the system. Again, call and ask for Jan and check. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stagehand632 0 Posted October 9, 2013 Heritage Guild in Easton offers a course that includes drawing from a holster. You have to take it before you can use their new tactical range, its a $100 for members. Again another fee/mandatory class for something already took a class on how to do. But I am glad to here about RTSP honoring other training. And as for the join comment, I should not have to join to be able to draw from a holster. Member NJ2AS Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted October 9, 2013 Well I am glad all these places are cautious about having people draw from a holster. Sure it would be nice if there was some common standard, but this is a safety issue. The last thing I want is to be at the range and have someone discharge a round god knows where while they are unsafely pulling a loaded gun out from a holster. While you might know what you are doing, there are many others that do not, and the range needs to take actions to protect us and themselves. I have observed that many that run IDPA matches are now requiring prior training or classification before they let shooter participate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RTSP1 67 Posted October 9, 2013 Sorry getting into this a bit late. We do recognize other draw certificates as long as it is from a reputable organization. Likewise, IDPA or USPSA are acceptable qualifying sources. As far as the non-member thing, we will make a notation in the notes section of your profile. Hope that helps Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stagehand632 0 Posted October 9, 2013 Well I am glad all these places are cautious about having people draw from a holster. Sure it would be nice if there was some common standard, but this is a safety issue. The last thing I want is to be at the range and have someone discharge a round god knows where while they are unsafely pulling a loaded gun out from a holster. While you might know what you are doing, there are many others that do not, and the range needs to take actions to protect us and themselves. I have observed that many that run IDPA matches are now requiring prior training or classification before they let shooter participate. I agree completely. I have no problem having to demonstrate my training and it should be mandatory. My complaint is paying to have to take another class on something I already have done. Member NJ2AS Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted October 9, 2013 Problem solved /thread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blacksmythe 71 Posted October 10, 2013 Its all a damn scam in my opinion. It is nothing but pay to play NJ style. But if you want to play..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted October 10, 2013 Dup post Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted October 10, 2013 Sorry getting into this a bit late. We do recognize other draw certificates as long as it is from a reputable organization. Likewise, IDPA or USPSA are acceptable qualifying sources. As far as the non-member thing, we will make a notation in the notes section of your profile. Hope that helps Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted October 10, 2013 The universal holster certification:Become a LEO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
