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List of NJ-friendly and NJ-unfriendly online firearm retailers

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*** This is inspired by my recent huge disappointment with Bud's. Hope that does not violate any forum rules - I would've been very happy if I found a list like that earlier...  ***

 

As you already perfectly know, lots of guns are not NJ-compliant out of the box. Different online retailers have very different policies regarding this!

Despite the fact that your local FFL might be absolutely willing and ready to accept such a transfer and then modify a gun to make it NJ-compliant (pin the magazine, pin the collapsible stock etc), online retailer might have a policy NOT to send such a gun to a state where it is not compliant out-of-the box.

 

I have contacted 5 online retailers so far (by email or by calling them) and populated a short list of their policies together with a source of this information and rough date it was accurate for). I will be more than happy if someone could add to this list either from the experience or from contacting the retailer.

 

And please mind - make sure your local FFL of your choice is fine with accepting such a transfer before placing an order!!!

 

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1. http://www.budsgunshop.com

NJ-Unfriendly - will not ship *anything* that is not NJ-compliant right out of the box. No exceptions. No alternative options. Will just cancel the order and tell you to pound sand

(Source: placed an order, got it cancelled several hours later, spoke to CSRs and supervisors - no luck, November 2013)

 

2. http://www.kygunco.com

NJ-unfriendly with some options - will not ship handguns with non-compliant mags to NJ, BUT will either a) ship magazines separately to a free state for additional $11 (so it will be YOUR problem then to get them from there, modify etc) or b) exclude mags at all and throw them away - no store credit, no discount, no replacement

(Source: exchanged emails with Eric M from kygunco, September 2013)

 

3. http://www.damascusgunshop.com/shop

NJ-Friendly - will gladly ship non-NJ-compliant mags condition NJ FFL dealer is ready to accept them.

(Source: E-mail exchange with Michael from Damascus Gun Shop, November 2013)

 

4. http://www.impactguns.com
NJ-Friendly  will gladly ship non-NJ-compliant mags condition NJ FFL dealer is ready to accept them

(Source: spoke to Alexa, Impactguns internet sales specialist, over the phone 1-888-505-3086, November 2013)

 

5. https://grabagun.com

NJ-Friendly  will send anything the NJ dealer is willing to accept

(Source: E-mail from Dallas of grabagun.com, November 2013)

 

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6. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com

Very NJ-Unfriendly - will not sell *ANY* firearms (EVEN NJ-compliant out of the box, like simple shotguns, bolt action rifles etc) to NJ. Even more, if I understand it right, they don't even send anything to other state (e.g. to your friend), if your billing address is in NJ. Though they still ship anything else, except for firearms

 

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Hope this will help you to save some frustration and also hope someone will add experience with other online retailers!

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Very useful info!

 

6. http://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com

NJ-Friendly (with caveat) If you place an order for a handgun with non-compliant magazines, a customer service person will notify you via e-mail, and give you the option of having the magazines removed or canceling the order. Simply explain that the order will be going to an FFL that will be modifying the magazines and provide them with FFL contact info. They will contact the FFL (right then and there), and upon verification, release the order. 

(Source: Placed order October 2013)

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Your post title is misleading. You are correct the Buds will not ship a Non-Compliant firearm to this state (to cover themselves), but to say they are NJ unfriendly is a bunch of crap. I myself have bought numerous firearms, and accessories from them, as have some of my friends. I have NEVER had a problem with them, nor will i fault them for not sending an item that is Banned in NJ to NJ.

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Your post title is misleading. You are correct the Buds will not ship a Non-Compliant firearm to this state (to cover themselves), but to say they are NJ unfriendly is a bunch of crap. I myself have bought numerous firearms, and accessories from them, as have some of my friends. I have NEVER had a problem with them, nor will i fault them for not sending an item that is Banned in NJ to NJ.

 

I am more than happy to correct the post title to make it less misleading - would you mind suggesting how should I formulate this?

I though about calling it "Online stores selling NJ-banned items to NJ", but I realized it will be EVEN more misleading :-)

 

And speaking bout Buds - I'm no lawyer, but I'm not even sure they have anything to be seriously afraid of. In the end of the day, the transfer itself and making sure the item is compliant with all local regulations is responsibility of local receiving FFL. In the bad case scenario Buds will just get the item returned by the local FFL with hitting a customer with restocking fee. In the worst case scenario (local FFL transferring the banned item without checking and a new owner caught with this item by LEOs) the ones who will be suffering from this will most likely be the new owner AND local FFL.

 

I frankly don't think that lawyers in all other online stores are complete idiots. No legitimate firearms dealer will ever ship a firearm to someone's residential address, because it is forbidden. Period. If 9 out of 10 online dealers ship restricted items to NJ FFLs willing to make them NOT restricted before transferring to the end user and 1 dealer does not do it, it's probably not a law or other type of regulation, but rather an *unfriendly* (or call it overdefensive if it sounds better) policy.

 

That's just my IMO, of course.

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I would say they are NJ-Unfriendly. They will not sell anything, I repeat, anything AR related to NJ. Not even a front sight tool. A little cylindrical shaped piece of metal used to adjust the front sight on an AR. Yep, they won't send it to you. I wouldn't call them NJ Friendly. They also will not ship .50 cal ammo or many other things to NJ.

 

Edit: I was referring to the Sportsman's Guide.

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I would say they are NJ-Unfriendly They will not sell anything, I repeat, anything AR related to NJ. Not even a front sight tool. A little cylindrical shaped piece of metal used to adjust the front sight on an AR. Yep, they won't send it to you. I wouldn't call them NJ Friendly. They also will not ship .50 cal ammo or many other things to NJ.

NJ are you referring to sportsmansguide?...above link is for a different place.. And yes Sportsmansguide AR parts policy is a bastion of dumbness..

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NJ are you referring to sportsmansguide?...above link is for a different place.. And yes Sportsmansguide AR parts policy is a bastion of dumbness..

Damn. Yes I was. Thanks for catching that. I saw the Sportsman in the website link and thought it was the guide. 

 

I will correct it. Thanks again jrfly.

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Lanbo's Armory is also NJ friendly and same price for CC.

http://lanbosarmory.com/

 

Aimsurplus is another one. Lowers no prob

http://www.aimsurplus.com/

 

Midway USA - AR15 kits no prob

http://www.midwayusa.com

 

Cabela's for ammo

http://www.cabelas.com

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Your post title is misleading. You are correct the Buds will not ship a Non-Compliant firearm to this state (to cover themselves), but to say they are NJ unfriendly is a bunch of crap. I myself have bought numerous firearms, and accessories from them, as have some of my friends. I have NEVER had a problem with them, nor will i fault them for not sending an item that is Banned in NJ to NJ.

I totally agree,  before becoming a memeber here I purchased handguns and long guns from Buds (NJ Compliant) from Buds and no problems whatsoever. I respect their choice not to sell non-compliant items to NJ. In my view  that's like getting get pissed-off at Magpul for pulling out of CO.

 

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You can't blame any dealer for not shipping a firearm or accessory that is not legal in the destination state. 

 

Even for compliant stuff: You expect out of state dealers to keep abreast of current NJ gun law, when we in this forum can't even agree on the definition of "loaded"? When we worry about stopping to take a leak on our way home from the range? When we still argue about how many hollow-point .22lr rounds can dance on the head of a pin? When forum regulars shun hypothetical questions that hint of possible illegality?

 

It's much easier simply to say no. 

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My question is what is the sellers liability if they ship it to an FFL? isnt it on the FFL to only transfer compliant items to qualified buyers?..so why not sell non-compliant items to FFL so they can modify them?...forgive me for possibly sounding dumb here but i I really dont know who owns the liability in such a transaction

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My question is what is the sellers liability if they ship it to an FFL? isnt it on the FFL to only transfer compliant items to qualified buyers?..so why not sell non-compliant items to FFL so they can modify them?...forgive me for possibly sounding dumb here but i I really dont know who owns the liability in such a transaction

+1, I would also very much love to know that. IANAL, but I personally think that you are absolutely right and fully agree with your point of view - the whole responsibility lies on an in-state FFL dealer that actually transfers the firearm. Just an observation - when a NJ dealer completes a P2P for a handgun, it says _nothing_ about the actual store where this handgun has been purchased, only about transferring FFL...

 

The only immediate risk for the selling store that I see is the one that they might send a gun to some NJ FFL, FFL will decide later NOT to modify a gun for whatever reason (decides that it is too hard to do etc.) thus sending it back to the seller, so the seller will end up paying shipping fees, restocking fees etc...

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My question is what is the sellers liability if they ship it to an FFL? isnt it on the FFL to only transfer compliant items to qualified buyers?..so why not sell non-compliant items to FFL so they can modify them?...forgive me for possibly sounding dumb here but i I really dont know who owns the liability in such a transaction

Agreed. Liability should lie with the FFL who transfers the non-compliant product. The only reason I can think of is they may have had bad experiences dealing with NJ FFLs. There are lots of mom-and-pop FFLs in this state, and handgun purchasing is problematic. I once lost two permits! Maybe too many returns? Maybe just our reputation as a problem state? Maybe they're just being stupid?

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The 4 companies I deal with on the regular are:

 

1) Aimsurplus - Never had a problem with them

2) Kentucky Gun Company works with you

3) AmmoSupplyWarehouse never had an issue sending me whatever I wanted or how much I wanted

4) Sarco - Just because

 

AimSurplus no longer ships AR Lowers to NJ.  Sucks... I bought a few from them before this change.  Not sure when it went into effect.

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+1 for Kentucky Gun Co and  Sportsman Outdoor Superstore.  For me, Palmetto worked too, but reaching their CSR is difficult, but they did refund me for couple of cancellations I had to do.

 

 

Will never do business with Buds. They (and a FFL) stuck the return fees on me without any consideration, long story that I promised to forget :-).

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Budsgunshop.com has been a disappointment.  Not with the gun or even customer service.  It's how long it's going to take.  I ordered an HK VP9 from them. The price was good.  It took 5 days for my e-check to clear even though the funds were taken out of my bank in three days. I just got an email today saying that the gun will ship out in 3-7 business days. Add a couple of days for shipping and that brings me to a grand total of at least 2 wks.  I saved about $100 but I probably would have been better off going to RTSP.  There price was higher but I would have been done in one day and I like their sales staff.  It's just a little bit of a  hike for me. 

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Sounds like the way Bud's operate to me.  Impact is another one that seems to take a while to ship.  There are other fish in the internet sea.  A little google foo will provide other solutions.

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Sounds like the way Bud's operate to me.  Impact is another one that seems to take a while to ship.  There are other fish in the internet sea.  A little google foo will provide other solutions.

As long as I get my gun and it is in new condition, I'll be ok with it. But I'll never order from them again.

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