Sir Drake 4 Posted January 15, 2014 Picked up a HG permit app yesterday along with the usual and customary mental health and background check forms in the packet. There was also a sheet of simple instructions in there, offering the option to do the criminal history online at www.njportal.com/njsp/criminalrecords The officer that handles the firearms dept said the NJSP are doing something new where you can pay the $18.00 online (+ a $2.00 convenience fee) and complete the criminal history background check that way, instead of getting a money order for $18.00 and having the PD do it in-house. Important to note you need your SBI number on the FID card, so it wouldn't work for initial applicants. And you also need an ORI number, which looks to be a municipality identifier. Last night at 10:00pm or so I filled out the paper forms and entered the info online for the criminal history portion. It was pretty easy - name, address, etc, SBI number, ORI number provided on the paper instructions by the township. Pay $20.00 on my CC, get confirmation e-mail, done. This morning I went in to drop off the forms, and the criminal history check came back already. It was in the computer at the PD when he came in this morning. I think I am the first one to do it that way here, he was awfully surprised that it came back so fast. He said it saves about 30 days of waiting just for that! All they need to do now is the mental health check and wait for the reference letters to come in. Overall, it should save LOTS of time, and much less data entry on the local PD's part. Just thought I would share. It may be awhile before it comes to every town, that ORI number is the key and is required to do the criminal history form online. Sounds like they had to do something to their computer system locally to tie it all in. They just started rolling it out this year here in town. Maybe this is a good thing? Progress via technology, reduced wait times, less work for the local PD, not too shabby. Again, just thought I'd share. Has anyone else come across this yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NEAHS 11 Posted January 15, 2014 This topic has been posted a few times. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/65000-chri-form-212a-online-submission-question/ http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/64438-online-payment-for-njsp-sbi-background-check/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deerpark 83 Posted January 16, 2014 Thanks for posting. I havent been on the forums as much and missed the other threads. Wonder if this would save time if your local PD is the NJSP? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plode 0 Posted January 16, 2014 The computer system notifies the Sergeants(or higher officers) if there is a criminal record, or no criminal record. Based on that, all they have to do is click approve, or reject. They can actually do it from their cell phones. I'm still not sure how long it'll sit up in Trenton after that, while they do the rest of the checks and await the signature on the pistol permits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Drake 4 Posted January 16, 2014 Mods, feel free to delete this thread if this is a triplicate post. I didn't see them either! However, one of those threads linked to a bitch fest about paying the fee, including the $2.00 fee...two bucks! I get it, people don't like paying extra fees, I sure don't. But, if it means a 1-2 day turn around on the mandatory criminal history check vs whenever the local PD submits it, then I think quite a few people, including myself, would pay it in a heart beat. I also renew my auto and boat registrations online too, so I'm in for a solid $10-$12 bucks a year! The other thread was along the same vein as mine, so again my apologies. I actually thought about it from a cost standpoint. Due to the laws, there simply is no getting around the $18.00. A money order is about $1.50 and waiting in line for a few minutes at the USPS. For the additional fitty cent, the CC option with no line is not such a bad option. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Back on target 0 Posted January 16, 2014 Wish I knew this about 41 days ago. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted January 16, 2014 So wait a second, you mean they can now do what takes place in free states (even faster and for free) in a few hours. Wow NJ finally moving into the 1980's! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plode 0 Posted January 16, 2014 So wait a second, you mean they can now do what takes place in free states (even faster and for free) in a few hours. Wow NJ finally moving into the 1980's! No, no, no. The application still has to go to Trenton for other checks(I think they check for stuff like payment of child support etc), the typing up of the permits, and the signature. This is where my applications always sat for at least a month or two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted January 16, 2014 No, no, no. The application still has to go to Trenton for other checks(I think they check for stuff like payment of child support etc), the typing up of the permits, and the signature. This is where my applications always sat for at least a month or two. So the permits and FID card themselves, are not typed up "locally" (i.e. at each PD HQ)? Trenton has to print them all and then distribute them? No wonder it takes so long for some.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Drake 4 Posted January 16, 2014 This process is just to see if there is any criminal history on file. The local PD still needs to send out the reference letters, do the mental health check, process the application like plode said, etc. I think the time savings by doing it yourself online comes from the fact that they don't need to do it in house (one less step). The cards and permits are still typed/printed by the issuing PD, at least that is my understanding. The criminal history check is probably the easiest and fastest part in the whole process anyway. Either you pop up on the radar or you don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted January 16, 2014 The worst thing is that even though I'm paying $2 extra, I've still been waiting a damn long time. I'm waiting since October for permits from NJSP. My town doesn't have a PD so we use NJSP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T Bill 649 Posted January 16, 2014 Three months down, three to go. Why are the NJSP barracks so slow. Hope Barracks same deal, up to six months for paperwork. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polak 3 Posted January 16, 2014 My city doesn't accept online record checks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Drake 4 Posted January 16, 2014 From what I gathered, the local PD needed to set up the systems first to receive the info. My guess is not all towns have done that yet, but sooner or later it will probably happen. I was given the option of letting them do it for an $18.00 money order or doing it online for $20. From what I read it looks like some towns can make it mandatory to do it one way or the other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falcone 89 Posted January 16, 2014 I went this morning to the PD in Linden and asked about the online check. The guy had no idea what I was talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galapoola 102 Posted January 16, 2014 last pistol purchase permits I had was before one gun a month became law, so how much does it cost at the local PD ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted January 16, 2014 I think the time savings by doing it yourself online comes from the fact that they don't need to do it in house (one less step). The cards and permits are still typed/printed by the issuing PD, at least that is my understanding. That's what I thought. It would seem ridiculous for all of that to be generated by the State. And, as has been stated, all the mental health and reference checks, etc. ... last pistol purchase permits I had was before one gun a month became law, so how much does it cost at the local PD ? $2.00 per permit, exactly the same, I believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halbautomatisch 60 Posted January 17, 2014 No, no, no. The application still has to go to Trenton for other checks(I think they check for stuff like payment of child support etc), the typing up of the permits, and the signature. This is where my applications always sat for at least a month or two. No.......Trenton turns them around with reasonable (by NJ standards) speed. If that was the case, every town would take that long. Your delay is primarily at your PD. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted January 17, 2014 One of the guys I was working with at the NJ2AS booth at the GSOSS show told me that the NJSP sent his permit to the wrong barracks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galapoola 102 Posted January 17, 2014 That's what I thought. It would seem ridiculous for all of that to be generated by the State. And, as has been stated, all the mental health and reference checks, etc. ... $2.00 per permit, exactly the same, I believe. "The officer that handles the firearms dept said the NJSP are doing something new where you can pay the $18.00 online (+ a $2.00 convenience fee) and complete the criminal history background check that way, instead of getting a money order for $18.00 and having the PD do it in-house." Maybe I'm confused here but this $18 fee, is that in addition to a PPP? I thought once you got your NJ FPID any back ground check at the PD was on them. I understand the NICS fee at point of purchase, does this $18 apply to new card holders? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twentynine30s 1 Posted January 17, 2014 "The officer that handles the firearms dept said the NJSP are doing something new where you can pay the $18.00 online (+ a $2.00 convenience fee) and complete the criminal history background check that way, instead of getting a money order for $18.00 and having the PD do it in-house." Maybe I'm confused here but this $18 fee, is that in addition to a PPP? I thought once you got your NJ FPID any back ground check at the PD was on them. I understand the NICS fee at point of purchase, does this $18 apply to new card holders? The $18 fee is required everytime you apply for more pistol permits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted January 18, 2014 The $18 fee is required everytime you apply for more pistol permits. Yes. And it's now $20.00 when you do it via the web link. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites