Are you ready for a damned fight???

[Silence Dogood 468]

Firearms-related bills for 2014, New Jersey Legislature:
 

 

PUBLIC SAFETY - WEAPONS

A104 Clarifies that licensed dealers may provide firearms for display at fund raising events sponsored by certain tax exempt organizations.

A113 Repeals certain restrictions on future retail sales of handguns.

A155 Requires access to law enforcement guidelines for processing firearms permit applications upon public records request.

A253 Disqualifies person named on federal Terrorist Watchlist from obtaining firearms identification card or permit to purchase handgun.

A328 Permits certain holders of permits to carry a handgun to carry another licensee's handgun.

A382 Permits certain special law enforcement officers to carry firearms at all times when in State.

A546 Clarifies that BB guns are not firearms under New Jersey law.

A671 Reduces lawful maximum capacity of certain ammunition magazines in New Jersey.

A672 Establishes a ballistics identifier program for certain firearms.

A673 Requires firearms to be unloaded and securely locked or stored within home.

A674 Requires firearms seizure when mental health professional determines patient poses threat of harm to self or others.

A675 Strengthens State's assault weapons ban.

A677 Disqualifies persons with three drunk driving or refusal convictions in five years from purchasing firearm.

A823 Establishes "MarcAnthony's Law;" criminalizes use of defaced or stolen firearm to injure a police officer; enhances penalties for defacing a firearm.

A837 Requires retired law enforcement officers to qualify in use of firearm once a year.

A843 Requires mental health evaluation and list of household members with mental illness to purchase firearm.

A844 Requires security guards who carry weapons to wear certain uniform, including identification card.

A849 Prohibits installation of gunfire locators on utility poles.

A851 Requires firearms endorsement on driver's license or non-driver identification card.

A989 Clarifies definition of reasonably necessary deviation when legally transporting firearm or weapon in motor vehicle.

A995 Revises qualifications for handgun permit, establishes crimes for certain handgun use; establishes annual fee of $100.

A998 Excludes .22 caliber tubular magazines from large capacity ammunition magazine definitio

A1230 Increases criminal penalties if leaving loaded firearm within easy access of minor results in injury or death

A1299 Upgrades penalties for crimes committed with aid of firearms locator application.

A1381 Establishes a Gun Court Pilot Program in Passaic County.

A1427 Extends validity of certain retired law enforcement officers handgun carry permits from one to two years.

A1547 Establishes fourth degree crime of possessing firearms locator application; enhances penalty if such application is used in the theft of firearm.

A1571 Prohibits possession of ammunition capable of penetrating body armor.

A1659 Criminalizes purchase or possession of firearms ammunition by persons convicted of certain crimes.

A1800 Requires background check for private gun sales.

A1803 Permits municipalities to establish weapons free zones around schools and public facilities.

A1870 Allows courts to issue restraining orders prohibiting persons charged with firearms and gang related offenses from entering premises, locations, or areas where the offense occurred.

A1880 Permits licensed dealers to display and auction firearms at fund raising events sponsored by certain tax exempt organizations.

A1882 Authorizes deer hunting with firearm on Sundays on private property.

A2006 Reduces maximum capacity of ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.

A2028 Revises statutes concerning firearms purchaser identification cards and handgun purchase permits; makes handgun purchase permit valid for four years.

A2062 Criminalizes purchasing or owning weapon if person has previous conviction of unlawful possession of weapon.

A2066 Requires State Police to produce brochure summarizing law governing transport and possession of firearms; requires MVC to make brochure available to new State residents registering vehicles.

A2068 Increases statute of limitations for prosecution of theft of firearm.

A2146 Creates crime of intentional discharge of firearm from vehicle.

A2169 Authorizes issuance of duplicate firearms purchaser identification cards for change of address with certain proof.

A2172 Clarifies that handgun ammunition may be sold to retired law enforcement officers with certain identification.

A2252 Provides law enforcement officers option to obtain handgun permit or firearms identification card from municipality where they are employed.

ACR89 Urges President and Congress of United States to enact assault weapons ban including prohibition against large capacity ammunition feeding devices.

ACR92 Urges President and Congress of United States to enact legislation enforcing stricter firearms control measures.

AR15 Urges Congress to enact certain gun control measures.

S59 Adds conviction of unlawfully possessing weapon to list of crimes that statutorily prohibits someone from buying or owning firearm.

S98 Establishes penalty for failing to report unintentional discharge of firearm in private residence.

S124 Provides two-year window for persons to transfer, render inoperable or surrender assault firearm.

S154 Revises statutes concerning firearms purchaser identification cards and handgun purchase permits; makes handgun purchase permit valid for four years.

S237 Revises qualifications for handgun permit, establishes crimes for certain handgun use; establishes annual fee of $100.

S251 Clarifies definition of reasonably necessary deviation when legally transporting firearm or weapon in motor vehicle.

S252 Excludes .22 caliber tubular magazines from large capacity ammunition magazine definition.

S399 Provides for forfeiture of vehicle where weapon was unlawfully possessed.

S427 Authorizes municipalities to regulate use of certain explosives.

S474 Prohibits possession of ammunition capable of penetrating body armor.

S483 Establishes "MarcAnthony's Law;" criminalizes use of defaced or stolen firearm to injure a police officer; enhances penalties for defacing a firearm.

S516 Increases criminal penalties if leaving loaded firearm within easy access of minor results in injury or death.

S529 Prohibits investment by State of pension and annuity funds in companies manufacturing, importing, and selling assault firearms for civilian use.

S531 Establishes a regulatory program for rifle and shotgun ammunition sales.

S532 Strengthens State's assault weapons ban.

S561 Requires presumption that any bail paid by defendant charged with certain weapons offenses will be in the form of full cash. S573 Establishes certain apprentice hunting licenses.

S599 Prohibits investment by State of pension and annuity funds in companies manufacturing, importing, and selling assault firearms for civilian use.

S600 Reduces lawful maximum capacity of certain ammunition magazines in New Jersey.

S649 Authorizes chiefs of part-time municipal police forces to issue firearms ID cards and handgun purchase permits.

S684 Revises definition of destructive device to include certain weapons of 50 caliber or greater.

S715 "The 10-20-Life Law."

S993 Reduces maximum capacity of ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.

[Howard 538]

How do these jokers have time for all this nonsense when we have real problems in this state, like unemployment, high taxes, people that don't obey laws using guns to kill honest citizens.  When will the Sheeple of NJ wake up and throw these jokers out of office?

[njJoniGuy 2,131]

Unmoderated discussion on this exact original post going on in the Litterbox.

[bhunted 887]

They can suck my salty balls. While very few are good, all others suck!

 

 

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[BlueLineFish 615]

I'm not sure if there is enough there.

[bhunted 887]

I'm not sure if there is enough there.

My balls or laws? Lmao...

 

 

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[maintenanceguy 510]

Same as last year.

 

We'll show up by the hundreds and tell them not to do it, a dozen people will be flown in in favor of the new laws.  We'll call our senators and assemblymen, send faxes, and write letters.  We'll outnumber those in favor of these laws 10 to 1 in every way.

 

They'll pass them anyway and the governor will veto them.

 

Same will happen in 2015.

 

but in 2016, our governor finds out that he's not going to be president and he can stop pretending to be a constitutional loving conservative.  That's when it gets bad for us.

[Sixtytwo327 14]

 

but in 2016, our governor finds out that he's not going to be president and he can stop pretending to be a constitutional loving conservative.  That's when it gets bad for us.

 

Maybe that day, everyone will wake up and realize the Republican party and all of it's mainstream media figureheads have been pretending to be conservatives for the last, oh, 30 or years or so. But I'm not gonna hold my breath. 

 

And I agree: 2016 is going to be a bad year.

[RUTGERS95 890]

I will say this again, it's because we are not uniform in our efforts.  We are 1mm strong and act as if we are 3 people using spoons to empty water on the Titanic

[Norseman 2]

I will say this again, it's because we are not uniform in our efforts. We are 1mm strong and act as if we are 3 people using spoons to empty water on the Titanic

Dude that's a perfect analogy.

 

 

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[mikelets456 78]

Dude that's a perfect analogy.

 

 

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If each person takes someone to the range that has never shot, it will have exponential effects. We don't need more laws on top of laws we need a change of mindset in the populace.

 

Ive never had someone go to the range that hated it...they always ask to go again and ask if they can bring someone.

[jm1827 284]

If each person takes someone to the range that has never shot, it will have exponential effects. We don't need more laws on top of laws we need a change of mindset in the populace.

 

Ive never had someone go to the range that hated it...they always ask to go again and ask if they can bring someone.

This is exactly what I have been doing, started with my wife (who now loves shooting), then some friends, some of which even joined the range after they got an FID and their first gun.

 

I am also going to start writing ALL of the bill sponsors explaining why these bills are nothing more than an attack on honest, law abiding citizens and explain why they won't do anything to curb gun violence.  We all need to stick together and never stop fighting and educating others.

[mipafox 438]

How do these jokers have time for all this nonsense when we have real problems in this state, like unemployment, high taxes, people that don't obey laws using guns to kill honest citizens.  When will the Sheeple of NJ wake up and throw these jokers out of office?

This reminds me of a line of thought I had a long time ago that I haven't recalled for awhile. We all know that gun control laws are often passed because some people just don't like guns and just don't trust their neighbors - it is rarely intended to have any affect on crime. And we all know that much of the ever-expanding government and restriction of our rights is due to a desire to control, micro-manage, and often to put the pieces in place for Progressiveism and Socialism.

 

But you bring up another interesting point that I long ago forgot. Restricting our rights cost almost nothing. Firearms are a hot button issue right now as we all know. These people can get a lot of points from their constituencies and political supporters for simply proposing this garbage.

[71ragtopgoat 23]

Well lets see we just elected Cory Booker to the senate. And are about to re-elect him. Our so called conservative Governor presides over one of the brokest big spending state governments in US history. His jusdicial appointments are based on skin color ,sex or sexual orientation. Plus he hugs Springsteen and Obama.

One of the leaders in the state Senate Like things like watching "You got knocked the F%#$K out and big butt bootie call.

Errr yeah we stand a good chance of being given total consideration of our concerns.

[vladtepes 1,060]

We'll show up by the hundreds

 

 

that is your issue right there.. 

[ryan_j 0]

that is your issue right there.. 

 

Yes, if it's the tens or hundreds of thousands, it will scare them. But in other states like NY, CT and CO, they showed up en masse and still got steamrolled. Understand, these legislators aren't there to forge goodwill with voters. They're there to do as much damage as possible and get away with it. Even though Colorado recalled two senators and one more resigned, you can be sure their gun law isn't going to be repealed. NY SAFE is also a done deal. CT enhanced SAFE/AWB is also a done deal. You need a complete takeover to reverse.

 

So showing up is nice but there has to be heads rolling for them to pay attention.

[Old Glock guy 1,127]

Looks like we are going to have this same fight every year. The likely outcome is that most will be defeated; but they will ram a few through, then a few more next year, and a few more the year after that. And they will gradually strangle us.

[gleninjersey 2,141]

I'm ready.  This is disgusting.

[vladtepes 1,060]

Yes, if it's the tens or hundreds of thousands, it will scare them. But in other states like NY, CT and CO, they showed up en masse and still got steamrolled. Understand, these legislators aren't there to forge goodwill with voters. They're there to do as much damage as possible and get away with it. Even though Colorado recalled two senators and one more resigned, you can be sure their gun law isn't going to be repealed. NY SAFE is also a done deal. CT enhanced SAFE/AWB is also a done deal. You need a complete takeover to reverse.

 

So showing up is nice but there has to be heads rolling for them to pay attention.

 

 

right but when you have a state with MILLIONS and "hundreds" come together to fight... the outcome is kind of "meh"

[Silence Dogood 468]

right but when you have a state with MILLIONS and "hundreds" come together to fight... the outcome is kind of "meh"

 

Agreed.   We have to do more.

[Silence Dogood 468]

Looks like we are going to have this same fight every year. The likely outcome is that most will be defeated; but they will ram a few through, then a few more next year, and a few more the year after that. And they will gradually strangle us.

 

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."    Edmund Burke

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot 358]

 

So showing up is nice but there has to be heads rolling for them to pay attention.

 

I agree.

 

After Al Gore lost his own state of Tennessee in the 2000 election, I think Democrats at a federal level have largely figured out Gun Control is a losing issue.  That's part of the reason why there hasn't been a significant piece of GC legislation after decades of it (1934 NFA, 1968 GCA, 1986 FOPA, 1994 AWB) even after events like Tucson.

 

Until it becomes a "losing issue" here in NJ, I think the antis in NJ Assembly will largely act with impunity.  When I look at the district map here, I have to believe there are certain opportunities to make a statement with a concerted grassroots effort.

 

[71ragtopgoat 23]

right but when you have a state with MILLIONS and "hundreds" come together to fight... the outcome is kind of "meh"

Yeah I see the big stink being raised in PA over the state attorney rolling back CCW rights and pushing her anti agenda.

The only difference I see is in your state is your state constitution NOT the people

[OchoBlue 3]

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/04/redistricting_committee_approv.html

 

The democratic proposed and implemented redistricting plan didn't help either. It solidifies the dems hold on the statehouse.

 

5 republicans / 5 democrats bad one " independent " placed on the board ny the NJ SC.

 

Districts in north jersey (cities) have less people in them than south jersey (rural /suburban ). Leading to more representation at the statehouse.

 

Even with Christie's landslide in November the legislative balance hardly tipped.

 

That being said I always get out to vote and get like minded friends to do so as well.

[vladtepes 1,060]

Yeah I see the big stink being raised in PA over the state attorney rolling back CCW rights and pushing her anti agenda.

The only difference I see is in your state is your state constitution NOT the people

 

I admittedly have not been watching that nonsense... what CCW are being rolled back? I have not heard anything about it?

[maintenanceguy 510]

This reminds me of a line of thought I had a long time ago that I haven't recalled for awhile. We all know that gun control laws are often passed because some people just don't like guns and just don't trust their neighbors - it is rarely intended to have any affect on crime.

This is a very important point for all of us to realize.  We always argue that gun control only hurts law abiding gun owners.  That argument does not work.  When the other side hears us say that they think: "Good".  They fear law abiding gun owners more than they fear crime because we live right next door to their kids and crime happened two blocks away.

[SuRrEaLNJ 294]

How do these jokers have time for all this nonsense when we have real problems in this state, like unemployment, high taxes, people that don't obey laws using guns to kill honest citizens.  When will the Sheeple of NJ wake up and throw these jokers out of office?

because all they do is this stuff, keeps them from having to do their jobs and fix anything

[RS1200XL 4]

Yeah I see the big stink being raised in PA over the state attorney rolling back CCW rights and pushing her anti agenda.

The only difference I see is in your state is your state constitution NOT the people

 

The drop only concerns non-residents.  Most citizens of a states could care less if non-residents lose their CCW.

[vladtepes 1,060]

The drop only concerns non-residents.  Most citizens of a states could care less if non-residents lose their CCW.

 

 

its not that they dont care.. it was an issue with PA residents circumventing the PA process for concealed carry... the effect on people from NJ carrying in PA was IMO unintentional.. and not the focus of the change.. 

[jm1827 284]

because all they do is this stuff, keeps them from having to do their jobs and fix anything

Sooooo true, it is an actual political tactic based on red herring attention grabbing. 

 

When a politician has no other means of proving their worth they typically create some bogeyman that diverts attention away from their incompetence.  Many years ago it was prohibition (an accurate metaphor for banning sales of certain types of guns), if you can scare a population enough about any single item and then focus all of your political efforts against that item you look like a hero and get reelected.