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My message that the constitution has failed went over better than I thought it would. It says a lot about this crowd that we can have differences of opinion and still respect each other.
 

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The constitution hasn't failed, because it is a piece of a paper with no will of its own. The people have failed to hold their government accountable.

 

If you want to see a real disaster, keep pushing the notion that the constitution is broken and you will end up with a constitutional convention, because every thing that outvotes you now, will outvote you then, and the guns will be gone from the 'new constitution'.

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The constitution hasn't failed, because it is a piece of a paper with no will of its own. The people have failed to hold their government accountable.

 

If you want to see a real disaster, keep pushing the notion that the constitution is broken and you will end up with a constitutional convention, because every thing that outvotes you now, will outvote you then, and the guns will be gone from the 'new constitution'.

Vlad,

 

Obviously, I disagree that the constitution hasn't failed. As the anti-federalists warned it created an empowered govt that can oppress. In other words, the institutional framework it created is flawed. That's the gist of the Patrick Henry quote I read. Read the whole speech of his it's great http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Henry%27s_speech_in_the_Virginia_Ratifying_Convention

 

I get your point about the extreme danger of a constitutional convention today. I agree that such a thing would be a disaster. However, I'm coming at this as a libertarian anarchist. There is no way to make govt work as advertised. Constitutionalism has failed everywhere it's been tried. Ours is not the only failed one. Even the worst communist dictatorships had constitutions guaranteeing all kinds of rights. Not once has a constitution contained a govt. Time to face reality & move on to something that works, a stateless society.

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The problem is that as a libertarian anarchist by your measure no govt will ever work as advertised. I understand that point of view and don't disagree with it, but I'm also a realist because there is 5000 years of history to show thats how it always works. 

 

You setup a decent system, you fight to defend it, eventually you fail, tyranny moves in, you get to have a fight, if you win you start from scratch.  I'm a libertarian, but not an anarchist because I realize that without some form of government the first tyranny next door ruins your day. 

 

I say again, the constitution hasn't failed. It explains some damn clear simple and limited government principles.  We've just ignored it for a very long time. No matter what system you come up with, it can be ignored too. It is never the document that fails, it is the people entrusted to guarded (ie; everyone)

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 I'm a libertarian, but not an anarchist because I realize that without some form of government the first tyranny next door ruins your day.

 

What we need is governance not government. Governance has been, can be, & should be provided by institutions that are voluntarily hired, financed, & fired. That is the solution to the cycle you descibe in the 2nd paragraph.

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What we need is governance not government. Governance has been, can be, & should be provided by institutions that are voluntarily hired, financed, & fired. That is the solution to the cycle you descibe in the 2nd paragraph.

 

What you said makes sense.  However the socialist republic of the united states won't allow for that to change.

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This is the speech I gave at the

My message that the constitution has failed went over better than I thought it would. It says a lot about this crowd that we can have differences of opinion and still respect each other.
 

 

Can you provide a link that's not associated with Facebook? I avoid those sites like the plague.

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