The Road ---Movie

[GrizzlyAdams 0]

My biggest lessons from Sandy were to get a propane generator (to avoid the gas lines), and the need for battery powered motion and light sensors so there was still some security.  

 

I'm still working on the propane generator part!

 

GA

[70gto 142]

My biggest lessons from Sandy were to get a propane generator (to avoid the gas lines), and the need for battery powered motion and light sensors so there was still some security.  

 

I'm still working on the propane generator part!

 

GA

Tri- fuel conversion if you could.  My Bro did the conversion on his, runs on NG,LP and regular gas. Just a note the house NG doesn't have as many BTU's as the LP or regular gas, so make sure you have at least 5/8 or 3/4 line running to genny hookup as the 1/2 NG line would make them (2) stutter/choke at the start.

[BlueLineFish 615]

It got so bad with gas that we had units escort tankers and guard the stations with heavy weapons. I couldnt believe in this day and age how quickly things deteriorated. It was a real eye opener

[BlueLineFish 615]

Please..my one neighbor is getting offered up after 30 minutes..not 7 days

[Vlad G 345]

It got so bad with gas that we had units escort tankers and guard the stations with heavy weapons

 

You guys have mortars and crew served machine guns now?

[GrizzlyAdams 0]

It got so bad with gas that we had units escort tankers and guard the stations with heavy weapons. I couldnt believe in this day and age how quickly things deteriorated. It was a real eye opener

 

At the gas station by me, there was a 3 hour line.  

 

When it was finally my turn, I watched someone drive into the exit for the gas station, pull up to pumps (cut in front of the 3 hour line), take gas, and drive off without paying.

 

GA

[Dan 177]

Imagine how bad it would be if you replaced gas lines with food/water lines. People turn to animals over not being able to drive to work or power their house's gadgets. Imagine a situation where people's families are hungry at home.

 

As said earlier in the thread, once the threshold is passed, food becomes #1. At least in our part of the country it is fairly easy to get water provided you have a means to filter it/sanitize it.

[Vlad G 345]

All those dire predictions may or may not come true. The balance of civility is a strange thing. Sometimes if falls apart sometimes it doesn't even when under severe stress. People still went to work in Sarajevo when snipers were picking people off and supplies had to be smuggled in. Russia, Argentina, etc have seen complete economic collapse (at least in modern terms of that means) and no one was roasting babies.

 

Sure we have spoiled people, people who never worked a day and have always been on the dole, but we also have people who work their ass off, and know what needs done.

 

It is a fragile balance and predicting which way things go is reading chicken bones and tea leafs.

[WP22 1,558]

 

Sure we have spoiled people, people who never worked a day and have always been on the dole, but we also have people who work their ass off, and know what needs done.

 

It is a fragile balance and predicting which way things go is reading chicken bones and tea leafs.

All true. And those hard working folks will keep plowing ahead as they've always did regardless of the circumstances. All others, will do as they always did: sitting on their behinds bitching the gov. isn't there anymore to help them. Or get killed first, or resort  to lawlessness.

[MidwestPX 172]

I need to get off my duff and get some post sample belt feds built

[Hooligan 0]

You guys have mortars and crew served machine guns now?

 

I'm sure he means "heavy weapons" for New Jersey.  Meaning slingshot and above.

[wooly bugger 1]

I think any serious disaster would destroy the ecology as a secondary effect as humans will act like locusts, specially during the first winter.

The good thing about living in NJ is that they'll be very maladapted locusts. I think there will be plentiful deer and squirrel in my neighborhood long after the last of my neighbors has died from a diet of tree bark and other nonmoving objects.

[illy 1]

The good thing about living in NJ is that they'll be very maladapted locusts. I think there will be plentiful deer and squirrel in my neighborhood long after the lat of my neighbors has died from a diet of tree bark and other nonmoving objects.

lol

[Respect2A 0]

I say we eat all the people on the welfare roles first.

[Vlad G 345]

I say we eat all the people on the welfare roles first.

Grow a garden first.

[Respect2A 0]

Grow a garden first.

I have one. Also have a nice smoker and I love ribs.

[MidwestPX 172]

I have one. Also have a nice smoker and I love ribs.

I don't think I could eat people. Not that I'm opposed to it but rather look at the junk most people eat! Garbage in, garbage out... We pay extra for organic meat and produce...I think eating the regular American would be a big step down.

[Respect2A 0]

I don't think I could eat people. Not that I'm opposed to it but rather look at the junk most people eat! Garbage in, garbage out... We pay extra for organic meat and produce...I think eating the regular American would be a big step down.

Obviously a last resort but if it meant surviving I guess I'd do what I had to do. Although you never know until you are in that situation.

[bravozulu14 0]

Obviously a last resort but if it meant surviving I guess I'd do what I had to do. Although you never know until you are in that situation.

 

All depends on your religious belief.  If you're willing to step in front of a bullet to save you're son, it's no different than choosing death over eating another human being if you believe there's a here after.  Of course if you don't believe there's anything more than a dirt nap, bon appetite!  You'll have to get through a hail of gun fire before eating me and mine though....

[Vlad G 345]

The good thing about living in NJ is that they'll be very maladapted locusts. I think there will be plentiful deer and squirrel in my neighborhood long after the last of my neighbors has died from a diet of tree bark and other nonmoving objects.

 

I actually think there won't be a stray cat, dog, squirrel, etc left pretty quickly. Even if you assume people won't catch on that things like that are edible, your have a calorie issue. 

 

I went and looked this up today out of curiosity. A fully grown plump squirrel apparently yields about 1lb of meat dressed and deboned. We'll call this a "hunting grade squirrel" but the reality is that most won't do that and you won't be able to pick and choose, but lets say you also eat some of the organs, brain, etc after properly cooking them. 

 

Cooked that yields about 541 calories. For most males, under stress, hunting, working, foraging you will probably need/want a 2500-3000 calorie diet. That works out to 5 squirrels a day in absence of any other nutrition.  Hopefully you only want it for the protein and you are growing potatoes or whatever for bulk calories. A grown man could probably get by on half a squirrel a day for protein requirements, but you will also probably get some other protein here and there so lets say you want 2 squirrels a week, 4 a month, that would be 96 per year with some lean weeks. 

 

Next lets look at the squirrel population density. It seems that for most forested areas the density is about 2-3 per acre. In city parks or other such areas you may get as high as 20/acre but those areas are so small as compared to the rest of the space that they are both irrelevant and also the first ones likely to be depleted. Lets say suburban areas have 5/acre to be generous.

 

 

In conclusion, if you are a perfect hunter, and can get every squirrel available, with ZERO competition, ZERO waste, additional food sources, for a single male you would be looking at about 20 acres of hunting land per year to satisfy your protein needs alone or 365 acres to survive entirely on squirrel. Of course if you do that you are depopulating the place so you will just starve next year. 

 

So grow a garden, a big one, and supplement with wild game when you can if any exists. After the great depression there was a massive hit on wild game of all types that took decades to recover, and that was with a lot more game and lot less population. 

[Iggyort 44]

I found this book very informative

 

Strategic Relocation--North American Guide to Safe Places, 3rd Edition

 

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568612621/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[ClangClang 14]

I found this book very informative

 

Strategic Relocation--North American Guide to Safe Places, 3rd Edition

 

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568612621/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

Everyone else who reads it will also find it very informative.  And show up right where you were planning on taking up residence.

[Vlad G 345]

Everyone else who reads it will also find it very informative.  And show up right where you were planning on taking up residence.

 

So you are suggesting that when the zombies are scratching at the doors, people will order this book, wait for the amazon drone to deliver it, and then go on foot to Wyoming in the hope that the previous reviewers on Amazon actually moved there?

 

Interesting. 

[Iggyort 44]

Everyone else who reads it will also find it very informative.  And show up right where you were planning on taking up residence.

 

  

 

Read up on the subject and you will find that your family by themselves would not survive . Mutual support with other families would be the way forward.

 

 

Two novels  for you :  Light Outs  by David Crawford  and Patriots by James Wesley

 

 

Lights Out- An Electro Magnetic Pulse destroys modern civilization

 

http://www.amazon.com/Lights-Out-David-Crawford/dp/0615427359

 

Patriots – Currency collapse

 

http://www.amazon.com/Patriots-Novel-Survival-Coming-Collapse/dp/156975599X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1397157718&sr=1-1&keywords=patriots+by+james+wesley

 

  

 

Both books are fun  to read  and are written as  manuals on  how to address problems in those situations..  Patriots gets a bit  too preachy for my taste with Religion/ Jesus but it  still worth reading

[GrizzlyAdams 0]

299 Days by Glen Tate is also very good.  It is a series.  I believe he is up to book #7 now.

 

GA

[bravozulu14 0]

Also a good book

 

http://afailureofcivility.com/

[Barms 98]

If anybody wants to eat my ground hogs you are welcome to have at 'em. No charge.

[mipafox 438]

 

Imagine how bad it would be if you replaced gas lines with food/water lines. People turn to animals over not being able to drive to work or power their house's gadgets. Imagine a situation where people's families are hungry at home.

There was no food or water here in Lehigh Valley. For at least a week for the majority. We went to stores and they were nearly empty. Never any water for sure. There was like <1% of usual stock of cereal and canned/boxed goods. Perhaps maybe 100 count of items in every grocery aisle, for maybe enough calories to feed 100 people for 5 days in an entire grocery store. So I guess nobody would starve if there was actually food of any kind remaining on a shelf. It was amazing when the stores opened without power or only partial power. They obviously lost money by being open.

 

In PA we definitely had way more people without power for more days than NJ. But we did get gasoline sooner, albeit with very long lines.

 

As far as The Road is concerned, it was really depressing. I plan to have a lot more ammo and a lot more Cocaine and hookers.

[MidwestPX 172]

&nbsp; There was no food or water here in Lehigh Valley. For at least a week for the majority. We went to stores and they were nearly empty. Never any water for sure. There was like <1% of usual stock of cereal and canned/boxed goods. Perhaps maybe 100 count of items in every grocery aisle, for maybe enough calories to feed 100 people for 5 days in an entire grocery store. So I guess nobody would starve if there was actually food of any kind remaining on a shelf. It was amazing when the stores opened without power or only partial power. They obviously lost money by being open.

 

In PA we definitely had way more people without power for more days than NJ. But we did get gasoline sooner, albeit with very long lines.

 

As far as The Road is concerned, it was really depressing. I plan to have a lot more ammo and a lot more Cocaine and hookers.

Ammo is only good if you have people to man the guns to use and those people have to have the will to pull the trigger as well as the training to do it effectively.

[mipafox 438]

 

Ammo is only good if you have people to man the guns to use and those people have to have the will to pull the trigger as well as the training to do it effectively.

 

Ammo?

 

You sort of glossed over the cocaine and hookers.

 

Did you see the movie? He had six bullets.

 

Will to pull the trigger? Is this 1974 South Jersey?

 

I'm older than that and I have never heard of an instance of somebody 'pulling a gun when they were not ready to use it' or whatever that old 70s Jersey nonsense was. FBI says 1 to 2 million defensive uses of firearms per year and I've never heard of a man, woman, child, or old lady who got killed after drawing a gun because they were not willing to shoot. Except for being killed by cops.