Melgamatic 66 Posted May 8, 2014 Here is a flowchart that attempts to answer the question we all get all the time: "Is this rifle legal in New Jersey?" Please check it out and see if you think it's right. Did I miss anything? Once we get it right, I'll release it to the public domain and anyone can use it. -Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted May 8, 2014 Currently, yes your flow chart works Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tactical Monkey 51 Posted May 8, 2014 Good Work Dave! The beginning could be simplified by using "Semi-Automatic" as "NO" going straight to legal, removing the steps above it. I don't believe there are any regulations against bolt, pump, lever action, that I can think of off-hand. Also the 15rd needs to be higher up in the chain before the Evil feature list. Additional things to consider that effect legality: 16" OAL barrel, pinned work for muzzle device or stock ETA: boo just mentioned that as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boo 6 Posted May 8, 2014 The way you have it ordered, I could mistakenly think my AR with 30-round mags are legal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melgamatic 66 Posted May 8, 2014 The way you have it ordered, I could mistakenly think my AR with 30-round mags are legal. I guess. Your rifle isn't illegal, your magazine is. An AR-15 with a 100-round magazine is still a legal rifle, right? I'll think about how to include that, maybe as a note. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex V 99 Posted May 8, 2014 The way you have it ordered, I could mistakenly think my AR with 30-round mags are legal. The gun would be legal if you follow the chart. It's the magazine that is illegal. You dont have to have the gun to be a felon, having the magazine alone would get you screwed... if I understand the law correctly. Might be wrong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melgamatic 66 Posted May 8, 2014 Ooops, missed the "YES" coming out of Grenade Launcher at the very bottom. I'll fix that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestPX 172 Posted May 8, 2014 So I'm curious about how an AR MR2 maglock would fall into this chart. For those unfamiliar with the MR2, it replaces the magazine catch and button with a two piece system as seen here: The mag catch is secured to the redesigned release with a hex head screw. The manufacturer's directions for permanent installation is to use red loctite on the threads then drill out the hex head once installed. Once installed, to depress the magazine release, you must pull the takedown pin and pivot the upper receiver away from the lower. This exposes the magazine to be either top-loaded or you can hit the mag release and it will drop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melgamatic 66 Posted May 8, 2014 So I'm curious about how an AR MR2 maglock would fall into this chart. Is that what they use in CA to avoid the removable magazine aspect of their AW laws? I think how it affects the chart depends on whether or not NJ would consider a rifle with that as having a removable magazine? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYMetsFan86 9 Posted May 8, 2014 nothing like a good flow chart! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melgamatic 66 Posted May 8, 2014 Version 2, fixes the grenade launcher confusion at the bottom of the evil features section, and adds a handy note reminding you that your magazines have to be 15 or less... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestPX 172 Posted May 8, 2014 Is that what they use in CA to avoid the removable magazine aspect of their AW laws? I think how it affects the chart depends on whether or not NJ would consider a rifle with that as having a removable magazine? It's a much more extreme measure than what CA is required to use. I believe the MR2 is NY SAFE compliant as I've sold quite a few to NY in the last few months. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reddog87 0 Posted May 8, 2014 Now do the same for VT much smaller. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZED 54 1 Posted May 8, 2014 Very nice job! Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pythagoras 2 Posted May 8, 2014 Looks good! Love the "sticky note" effect for the 15 rounds note Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted May 8, 2014 Awesome love flow charts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seamusSU 0 Posted May 9, 2014 Well done! This definitely seems worthy of a pin in the section Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted May 9, 2014 Excellent job sir! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted May 9, 2014 Version 2, fixes the grenade launcher confusion at the bottom of the evil features section, and adds a handy note reminding you that your magazines have to be 15 or less... Just to confirm... this is only for "long guns/rifles," correct? It would not apply to "shotguns," as the max tube capacity of a semi-auto shot gun is 6+1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted May 9, 2014 Technically you need to add 16" barrel and 26" oal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence Dogood 468 Posted May 9, 2014 Nice job. You might also consider replacing 'flash suppressor' with 'muzzle device' and then split to legal or illegal based on the type of muzzle device. The ultimate standard, as I understand it, is a two-part test (NJSP): (1) What is the design intent of the device (compensator, brake vs. flash hider) (2) Is the terminal opening close to the bore size (can you stick your pinky finger in it - if you can it's a flash hider) This might assist someone coming into the state with a rifle already configured. A threaded muzzle is fine so long as a permanent (pinned/welded) non-flash-hider device is installed. Ironically, the one of the muzzle devices most often used as a NJ-legal device has an ATF letter saying that it's not a flash hider, yet it is advertised as being one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted May 9, 2014 Technically you need to add 16" barrel and 26" oal Well that applies to every state unless one gets an NFA stamp. Tis flow chart asks if is legal in NJ. I believe he made this to help people figure out NJ's screwed up laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Worn_Holster 2 Posted May 9, 2014 Having a rifle that has a removable magazine doesn't ever make the rifle illegal. Only if the detachable magazine itself has a capacity greater than 15 rounds, then it would make the magazine itself illegal, never the rifle itself unless it has an internal magazine that holds greater than 15 rounds. Any consideration for bolt action rifles? Other than that, nice flow chart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melgamatic 66 Posted May 9, 2014 Any consideration for bolt action rifles? Other than that, nice flow chart. Bolt action rifles are considered in the 4th question, but since I broke out lever and pump it would make sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arbelest 29 Posted May 9, 2014 Gob well done sir! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melgamatic 66 Posted May 9, 2014 (1) What is the design intent of the device (compensator, brake vs. flash hider) (2) Is the terminal opening close to the bore size (can you stick your pinky finger in it - if you can it's a flash hider) Re #2, can some one show me the law, or AG letter? I've heard a few people say this finger thing, but have never seen any official reference to it. Also, whose pinky? Mine is 2x the size of my wifes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites