Reflection time - why we are where we are

[ryan_j 0]

not picking on you but are you dense?

 

WE DON'T VOTE IN THE LEGISLATIVE ELECTIONS. OUR WIVES DON'T VOTE IN LEGISLATIVE ELECTIONS.

 

PERIOD.

 

End of story.

Has to be more than that.

[matty 810]

This topic has been beaten to death countless times. I vote in all the elections that come up where I live. My State reps are pro-2A and have been for years. Lots more Nj people are not. Since 1965 at least, NJ has been anti-2A. There is little hope of a reversal. Time to go

 

 

not picking on you but are you dense?

 

WE DON'T VOTE IN THE LEGISLATIVE ELECTIONS. OUR WIVES DON'T VOTE IN LEGISLATIVE ELECTIONS.

 

PERIOD.

 

End of story. 

[Walt of Destiny 412]

This topic has been beaten to death countless times. I vote in all the elections that come up where I live. My State reps are pro-2A and have been for years. Lots more Nj people are not. Since 1965 at least, NJ has been anti-2A. There is little hope of a reversal. Time to go

While is has been beaten to death, that doesn't mean we give up the fight. The reasons for a lot of the treasonous legislators is gerrymandering. The districts have been written by those in power to oppress any chance of change. It happens on a nationwide level so you can run, but you cannot hide. I am amazed that so many focus on this shithole of a state and completely ignore the direction the country as a whole is going in. Don't like the incumbent? Well you had better get used to it. I can't see a scenario where there will ever be another republican president. Let me rephrase that. There is little chance that progressive, socialistic, liberty infringing presidential candidates will be defeated any time soon. So move you may. Unless you are moving to Malta, no matter where you go, there you are.

[mipafox 438]

 

NJ is the most densely populated state (and GFH is probly about in the densest of that)  so its only logical a handfull of ranges will get slammed on weekends.

Population density of a state means absolutely nothing with regard to how busy ranges will be, and there is no logic to be found in that proposition. The business that a range receives, all things being equal, is how many people want to shoot at a range in a given area and how many ranges are available. The population density in NE PA is nearly zero but the ranges they have (more than in Jersey) are packed on weekends.

 

The answer to "why we are where we are" is between the lines in the siderman response. There has been a multi-generational cultural indoctrination in Jersey that "population density" has something to do with gun issues. That Jersey is special, unique.

 

There is something "special" about New Jersey. It's the "population density." I can stand in 1/3 of the land area of NJ and there isn't a single person within direct fire range of a handgun in any direction I turn. And, "logically" *ahem*, in those barren areas the ranges are packed on weekends. The busiest shopping mall in all of NJ doesn't have more people per square acre than half of the busiest shopping malls around the country.

 

Considering NJ has the biggest forest, greatest farmland, and barren land between Mass and VA, please somebody tell me again why NJ having a high state population density means anything at all? Can my handgun shoot all the way across the state? Am I going to drive from Cape May to Sparta to go to a gun range?

 

Is there any place anywhere in NJ that has more people within a room, a building, the footprint of a football field, an acre, or even a square mile than real States in America?

 

NJ state population density has nothing to do with busy a gun range might be. It is a second order reaction kinetic with an inverse reactant. It's the concentration of range shooters within the radius of an average tolerable driving distance multiplied by a parameter and the inverse of the concentration of ranges in the same control volume. And, just like me making a bad shot with my handgun in the state of Jersey, there are dozens of places with shorter waits in Jersey for range use than thousands of ranges in other states with lower state population density.

[mustang69 505]

Another point I haven't seen mentioned.  2A issues are rarely single-issue votes.  Someone's position on 2a isn't usually enough to impact their vote.  I know several gun enthusiasts that are (D) - an oxymoron in my book, but they would never consider voting ®, and the (D) platform on guns isn't going to make them change their minds.  

 

When will it change?  When there is a real risk that someone will be voted out.  I thought we might have been there with Sweeney, but look what happened after the election.  He's paying more attention to folks from Connecticut than he is from people in his own district.  Why?  Because he's not afraid of losing his seat.

 

The urban centers are a lost cause IMO, for many more reasons than their position on the 2a.   Until the state swings back toward ® I don't see much getting better for the 2a, only more restrictions to continue with the illusion for the uninformed voters to make them THINK they are being protected.  Not that there are many ® that are working to protect the 2a - a few, but obviously not many.  And they have absolutely no power.  It will take a strong majority, or a speaker/senate president to make a difference.

[Newtonian 453]

This topic has been beaten to death countless times. I vote in all the elections that come up where I live. My State reps are pro-2A and have been for years. Lots more Nj people are not. Since 1965 at least, NJ has been anti-2A. There is little hope of a reversal. Time to go

Matty, I am not picking on you.

 

See my previous posts on voting. I am in the same situation as you, in a pro-2A district. I've done a bit of research. I'm fairly certain this state can be returned to reason. 

[Newtonian 453]

Has to be more than that.

No doesn't have "to be more than that." If you can vote out the scumbags, you regain control. It's very easy, easier than complaining and testifying and wishin' and hopin' for miracles.

 

The miracles are in your hands. They can happen. VOTE!!!!!! GET YOUR RELATIVES TO VOTE!!! 

 

The asshole takers don't vote. They rely on your laziness, that you'll sit on your ass and not vote.

 

You can tell them to vote, you can pay them, and they'll still stay home waiting for their check. IF YOU VOTE you can annilhalate them. You can negate them. 

 

VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE.

[5th4x4 0]

 I'm fairly certain this state can be returned to reason. 

 

Based on.................

[Newtonian 453]

Based on.................

I've posted this at least three times. Look it up.

 

All you have to do is vote. VOTE. Bring your wife, inlaws, everybody, to the polling vote. VOTE.

[KramD52 0]

So many really good examples and information in this thread by everyone.  But I have to say, like several of you had mentioned, I think the answer is as simple as "the vote".  Letters, email, calls, ect. are basically useless as a means to fight/argue for our 2A rights.  IF we (as gun owners/pro 2A proponents) are truly divided among our ranks by a significant amount then we are pretty much done....stick a fork in us.  There is no getting around it; we just would not have the influence to make any significant difference just because of the lack of voting numbers.  But I don't believe that.  I think there is some division, but I think (hope) its only a small percentage and it can be overcome. So If there are still enough who are willing to stand together and vote for our cause then we stand a chance.  Some of these elections each year have extremely small overall voter turnout.  This is where we can begin to influence a change for the better.  We need to change the tide, and if not soon we, like someone posted previously, are destined to be the proverbial cooked frog.  We need to find a way to motivate the voter base in a way that got the fire lit under everyone such as when the president and his cronies wanted to institute a new weapons ban.

[5th4x4 0]

Oh. Vote. 

I've also posted something. Look it up:

"Can't expect that my vote will ever be represented in this state"

 

(I VOTE!!!!!)

 

I'm not pollyanna about this state, but if you are, then that's your business. But how does "VOTE" change the past, present or future?

Has no one voted yet?

Will they now suddenly vote?

Why?

And does that mean that the opposition will stop voting?

 

I can appreciate your optimism, but it's too naive to be taken seriously.

No offense. I'm only being realistic about the current situation. 

[ryan_j 0]

 

Population density of a state means absolutely nothing with regard to how busy ranges will be, and there is no logic to be found in that proposition. The business that a range receives, all things being equal, is how many people want to shoot at a range in a given area and how many ranges are available. The population density in NE PA is nearly zero but the ranges they have (more than in Jersey) are packed on weekends.

 

The answer to "why we are where we are" is between the lines in the siderman response. There has been a multi-generational cultural indoctrination in Jersey that "population density" has something to do with gun issues. That Jersey is special, unique.

 

There is something "special" about New Jersey. It's the "population density." I can stand in 1/3 of the land area of NJ and there isn't a single person within direct fire range of a handgun in any direction I turn. And, "logically" *ahem*, in those barren areas the ranges are packed on weekends. The busiest shopping mall in all of NJ doesn't have more people per square acre than half of the busiest shopping malls around the country.

 

Considering NJ has the biggest forest, greatest farmland, and barren land between Mass and VA, please somebody tell me again why NJ having a high state population density means anything at all? Can my handgun shoot all the way across the state? Am I going to drive from Cape May to Sparta to go to a gun range?

 

Is there any place anywhere in NJ that has more people within a room, a building, the footprint of a football field, an acre, or even a square mile than real States in America?

 

NJ state population density has nothing to do with busy a gun range might be. It is a second order reaction kinetic with an inverse reactant. It's the concentration of range shooters within the radius of an average tolerable driving distance multiplied by a parameter and the inverse of the concentration of ranges in the same control volume. And, just like me making a bad shot with my handgun in the state of Jersey, there are dozens of places with shorter waits in Jersey for range use than thousands of ranges in other states with lower state population density.

 

You've nailed part of it in my opinion.

[siderman 1,136]

 

Population density of a state means absolutely nothing with regard to how busy ranges will be, and there is no logic to be found in that proposition. The business that a range receives, all things being equal, is how many people want to shoot at a range in a given area and how many ranges are available. The population density in NE PA is nearly zero but the ranges they have (more than in Jersey) are packed on weekends.

 

The answer to "why we are where we are" is between the lines in the siderman response. There has been a multi-generational cultural indoctrination in Jersey that "population density" has something to do with gun issues. That Jersey is special, unique.

 

There is something "special" about New Jersey. It's the "population density." I can stand in 1/3 of the land area of NJ and there isn't a single person within direct fire range of a handgun in any direction I turn. And, "logically" *ahem*, in those barren areas the ranges are packed on weekends. The busiest shopping mall in all of NJ doesn't have more people per square acre than half of the busiest shopping malls around the country.

 

Considering NJ has the biggest forest, greatest farmland, and barren land between Mass and VA, please somebody tell me again why NJ having a high state population density means anything at all? Can my handgun shoot all the way across the state? Am I going to drive from Cape May to Sparta to go to a gun range?

 

Is there any place anywhere in NJ that has more people within a room, a building, the footprint of a football field, an acre, or even a square mile than real States in America?

 

NJ state population density has nothing to do with busy a gun range might be. It is a second order reaction kinetic with an inverse reactant. It's the concentration of range shooters within the radius of an average tolerable driving distance multiplied by a parameter and the inverse of the concentration of ranges in the same control volume. And, just like me making a bad shot with my handgun in the state of Jersey, there are dozens of places with shorter waits in Jersey for range use than thousands of ranges in other states with lower state population density.

Your trying too hard here.. I was just saying that because of a ranges proximity to such a saturated populace it should never not be crowded weekends and not that its crowded because of some new found gun culture swell in NJ. Nothing to do with malls, the serenity of our Pinelands or a range in PA or the potential for collateral damage beyond your target because of density.

[Shawnmoore81 623]

The reason why we are in this situation is simple

 

Us vs them