ISIS Hostage Situation in Australia

[ManWithBeard 2]

There is a hostage situation occurring right now in Australia. At least a dozen hostages and 2 gunmen.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2873855/Gunman-takes-hostages-cafe-Sydney.html

 

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/reports-hostages-taken-by-armed-man-at-sydneys-martin-place-2014-12

[jackandjill 683]

Holy cow. Hope the hostages get out and scumbags get what they deserve.

 

Aren't armed citizens best defense in such situations ?

[mipafox 438]

It sounds like it's those darn Manmade Contingency Disasterrers people. Another case of workplace violence.

[302w 83]

This will not end well. I would hope the hostages would do the math and figure out that 20 is much greater than two before someone gets beheaded. Nobody wants to get shot but I would rather die fighting then be slaughtered like a goat.

 

It's tough to understand, but the article says the ISIS member is due in court? WTF?

[Polak 3]

Hope no one but the shitbags is killed.

 

 

And they banned guns in Australia...go figure.

[jackandjill 683]

There is another thread about military members applying for CCW. Imagine ISIS nutjobs stalking service members at shopping malls or other places ? Without CCW, How are service members supposed to protect themselves and family members ?

[ManWithBeard 2]

Call the cops and cower obviously.

[voyager9 3,434]

Eesdit live thread

http://www.reddit.com/live/u2pwph99rvy6

[mipafox 438]

 

There is another thread about military members applying for CCW. Imagine ISIS nutjobs stalking service members at shopping malls or other places ? Without CCW, How are service members supposed to protect themselves and family members ?

 

 

What about you and your family?

[JohnnyB 4,322]

   

 

What about you and your family?

Amen Brother!!!  I was in the Navy back in the 70s but I am certain that would mean squat as far as getting CCW in the PRNJ.

 

Our "ONLY HOPE" here is for a SCOTUS ruling in our favor due to the 9th and 3rd Circuit Court's rulings being contradictory.

I don't know if that's possible given the makeup of SCOTUS today.  There are an awful lot of barriers in our way as I see things.

 

1) The next POTUS will have a say in the makeup of SCOTUS as Ginsberg is in failing health.

2) The next POTUS must be a Republican in order to change the leaning of SCOTUS.

3) The Republicans do not yet have a candidate who is popular enough to win in 2016. Christie is NOT a true Republican!

4) We need to pray since the deck is obviously stacked against us!!!

5) I would say move to Mipa's neighborhood but PA's new Governor and sitting AG may change things for PA going forward!

[fumanchu182 23]

This type of event could easily happen in a state that is may issue.  However in states that are shall issue this bad guy stands a chance of running into a good guy with a gun.

[remixer 1,645]

Regardless of Carry laws.. This is always a possibility or even worse they might just walk in with an explosive and just set it off.

 

I can sleep better knowing we are not at war with Islam and this is all just a coincidence.

[1LtCAP 4,262]

Hope no one but the shitbags is killed.

 

 

And they banned guns in Australia...go figure.

Civilian Guns

 

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Number of Privately Owned Firearms

The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in Australia is 3,050,000¹²

 

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Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population

The estimated rate of private gun ownership (both licit and illicit) in Australia is 15.0¹ firearms per 100 people

 

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Number of Privately Owned Handguns

There are reportedly 172,422³ handguns in civilian possession in Australia

 

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Number of Privately Owned Firearms - World Ranking

In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Australia ranked at No. 25⁴

 

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Rate of Privately Owned Firearms per 100 Population - World Ranking

In a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 178 countries, Australia ranked at No. 42¹

Number of Licensed Firearm Owners

ChartThe number of licensed gun owners in Australia is reported to be

 

2012: 730,000⁵

2010: 873,625⁶

2001: 764,518⁷⁸

 

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Rate of Licensed Firearm Owners per 100 Population

ChartThe rate of licensed firearm owners per 100 people in Australia is

 

2012: 3.32⁹

2010: 4.06

2001: 3.96

 

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Number of Registered Firearms

ChartThe number of registered guns in Australia is reported to be

 

2012: 2,750,000⁵

2010: 2,675,785⁶

2001: 2,165,170⁷⁸

 

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Rate of Registered Firearms per 100 Population

ChartThe rate of registered guns per 100 people in Australia is

 

2012: 12.49⁹

2010: 12.44

2001: 11.22

 

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Estimated Number of Illicit Firearms

Unlawfully held guns cannot be counted, but in Australia there are estimated to be 260,000¹⁰¹ to 6 million¹¹

 

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Estimated Rate of Illicit Firearms per 100 Population

Unlawfully held guns cannot be counted, but in Australia there are estimated to be 1.18⁹ illicit firearms per 100 people

 

 from here.......http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia

[fumanchu182 23]

Regardless of Carry laws.. This is always a possibility or even worse they might just walk in with an explosive and just set it off.

 

I can sleep better knowing we are not at war with Islam and this is all just a coincidence.

You jest, I laughed.

[Newtonian 453]

It's tough to understand, but the article says the ISIS member is due in court? WTF?

I read that he was out on bail for several violent crimes, including conspiring to kill his wife. Or maybe actually killing her. He probably has more than one. Wife that is. 

[302w 83]

Update:

http://mobile.news.com.au/national/martin-place-cafe-siege-sheik-man-haron-monis-is-holding-several-people-hostage/story-fncynjr2-1227156241649

 

Guy is out on bail for numerous things, including mailing threatening letters to dead military families and accessory to murder. Fun.

[Krdshrk 3,877]

Holy hell that mobile site sucks for regular browsing...

 

Better link if you're on a PC.

http://www.news.com.au/national/martin-place-cafe-siege-sheik-man-haron-monis-is-holding-several-people-hostage/story-fncynjr2-1227156241649

[CMJeepster 2,777]

Holy crap, it's about time the media realizes this!!!  I've been saying for years that nut-jobs that do stuff like this aren't sane...

 

"Can identifying mental illness stop terror attacks?"  http://news.yahoo.com/identifying-mental-illness-stop-terror-attacks-172707999.html

[diamondd817 826]

His can this happen? Guns are banned in Australia. Must be a fake story.

[Krdshrk 3,877]

His can this happen? Guns are banned in Australia. Must be a fake story.

Not banned but restricted like crazy.

[jackandjill 683]

Holy crap, it's about time the media realizes this!!!  I've been saying for years that nut-jobs that do stuff like this aren't sane...

 

"Can identifying mental illness stop terror attacks?"  http://news.yahoo.com/identifying-mental-illness-stop-terror-attacks-172707999.html

The problem (again) is how they go about this "identification". Its a long discussion and probably doesn't belong in this thread, but expect law abiding firearm owners to be scrutinized to hell (and more laws) under the pretense of "identifying mental illness".

[CMJeepster 2,777]

Gun control is working real good there these days:  http://news.yahoo.com/8-children-killed-home-northern-australia-055027435.html

[Krdshrk 3,877]

Gun control is working real good there these days:  http://news.yahoo.com/8-children-killed-home-northern-australia-055027435.html

That article says nothing about a gun - only the hostage situation... I see stabbed...

[CMJeepster 2,777]

I was trying to be sarcastic. ;-) If people want to commit violent acts, they'll find a way to do it. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/72109-no-firearms-used-can-society-admit-that-its-not-firearms-that-are-the-problem-but-violence-itself-that-is-the-problem/