Dr.Jimmy Rustler 23 Posted January 14, 2015 http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCMGUNFIGHTER-Compensator-MOD-0-5-56-p/bcm-gfc-mod-0-556.htm converted co-worker of mine is building a AR and asked me about this. thanks for the input guys part of me thinks its illegal bc i might be able to get my pinky in the end, could you guys suggest something from BCM? hes probably getting a 14.5" barrel so hes gonna need it pinned from them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 956 Posted January 14, 2015 If you look closely inside the cage, you will see what looks like an inverted cone which acts as the break - I would say it is legal as it is listed as a Compensator and there is no mention of hiding flash. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted January 14, 2015 Tuned slots and interior cone offer maximum in recoil mitigations, compensation of muzzle-rise, and flash reduction. illegal IMO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Contrvlr 17 Posted January 14, 2015 If you look closely inside the cage, you will see what looks like an inverted cone which acts as the break First time I've seen anyone make mention of that fact when talking about the Bravocomp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,634 Posted January 14, 2015 Unfortunately, the real answer is: No one knows. IANAL It passes the NJSP "pinky" test, it is designed for compensations as its primary function, and other legal muzzle devices have flash suppression in their descriptions. I would lean towards its is legal. But until someone gets locked up and the NJSP makes a determination, no one will know for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted January 14, 2015 Grey enough for me to buy something else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted January 14, 2015 Unfortunately, the real answer is: No one knows. IANAL It passes the NJSP "pinky" test, it is designed for compensations as its primary function, and other legal muzzle devices have flash suppression in their descriptions. I would lean towards its is legal. But until someone gets locked up and the NJSP makes a determination, no one will know for sure. IMO.... since NJ does not clearly define flash hiding you run into the following issues.. an AR could have one of those.. and you could live your whole life without a single issue.. OR you could run into some instance where it is questioned by the wrong person.. and they push the issue.. the second that happens you are screwed... not for any other reason than it being an easily proven case... they will simply explain to the court that in NJ you can not have a "flash hider".. they will then read the description.. and how it hides flash.. and your defense at that point is what? it only hides flash a little, at which point they will point out that in NJ it does not say you can hide a little flash.. it says flash hider.. period.. IMO as Checko stated.. not worth the trouble.. there are numerous muzzle devices that are CLEARLY not hiders.. stick with one of those and know you have a reasonable defense if ever in the case to defend... the risk is not worth the gain.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr.Jimmy Rustler 23 Posted January 14, 2015 IMO.... since NJ does not clearly define flash hiding you run into the following issues.. an AR could have one of those.. and you could live your whole life without a single issue.. OR you could run into some instance where it is questioned by the wrong person.. and they push the issue.. the second that happens you are screwed... not for any other reason than it being an easily proven case... they will simply explain to the court that in NJ you can not have a "flash hider".. they will then read the description.. and how it hides flash.. and your defense at that point is what? it only hides flash a little, at which point they will point out that in NJ it does not say you can hide a little flash.. it says flash hider.. period.. IMO as Checko stated.. not worth the trouble.. there are numerous muzzle devices that are CLEARLY not hiders.. stick with one of those and know you have a reasonable defense if ever in the case to defend... the risk is not worth the gain.. I'll forward this to him. do you guys have any reccomendations for NJ Legal comps sold by BCM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,634 Posted January 14, 2015 Battlecomp and PWS FSC556 are generally accepted as good to go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted January 14, 2015 I happened to have been thinking about this a lot lately. Specifically these hybrid comps. Unfortunately I come to the conclusion I usually do. And that is, in NJ you must always consider you may get a prosecuter that's not gun friendly. So if there is any grey area that can be controverted for evil I advise to steer clear. If you have deep pockets or a law degree by all means procede, you would have my moral support Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted January 14, 2015 I happened to have been thinking about this a lot lately. Specifically these hybrid comps. Unfortunately I come to the conclusion I usually do. And that is, in NJ you must always consider you may get a prosecuter that's not gun friendly. So if there is any grey area that can be controverted for evil I advise to steer clear. If you have deep pockets or a law degree by all means procede, you would have my moral support forget the prosecutor.. my concern is the jury (I am assuming it would be a jury for AW violation?) you stand a far greater chance of having a jury sit in front of you that is composed mostly of people that are actively anti gun, OR even if "pro gun" we are talking "pro shotgun and hunting rifle".. as your evil baby killing military death machine is paraded around court.. I was friends with many from NJ that would be terrified of a NJ LEGAL AR.. wondering why I needed "military grade weapons".. good lawyer or not.. those people are unlikely to save your ass.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tack Tickle 0 Posted January 14, 2015 Judging by this picture I would say it's legal. There seems to be no flash "hiding" here. While it does "look" similar to the outside of an A2 hider, it is clearly not functional like one would at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted January 14, 2015 how does it compare to NO muzzle device... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sosa9999 5 Posted January 14, 2015 I'm blocked at work from BCM webpage, but i believe they do carry this one. http://www.surefire.com/tactical-equipment/suppressor-adapters/procomp-muzzle-brakes.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redtornado23 0 Posted January 14, 2015 yes, BCM carries that comp, for the same price shown in that link Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted January 14, 2015 Tack Tickle, Im not saying the position isn't defendable, but the point is to not end up with the risk of having to legally defend your position, post indictment! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tack Tickle 0 Posted January 14, 2015 I completely agree with you! You get the wrong person looking your rifle in a scrutinizing way and you are in trouble "until you can prove you are innocent"... Tack Tickle, Im not saying the position isn't defendable, but the point is to not end up with the risk of having to legally defend your position, post indictment! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jerseyrifle 6 Posted January 15, 2015 I have this compensator. Edit: "the Battle Comp 1.5" Gunsmith immediately uses the NJ pinkie test. He then asks for paperwork clearly saying, "This is not a flash hider. No paperwork, no job. The second smith, contacts his police contacts leaning on the no go side. In the end, the 2nd smith threads, permanently pins and cuts cone from the end of "compensator." Only in NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tack Tickle 0 Posted January 15, 2015 Can you post a pic of what you were left with? I have this compensator.Gunsmith immediately uses the NJ pinkie test.The first gunsmith asked for paperwork clearly saying, " This is not a flash hider. No paperwork, no job.The second smith, contacts his police contacts leaning on the no go side.In the end, 2nd smith threads, permanently pins and cuts cone from end of "compensator." Only in NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted January 15, 2015 I have this compensator. Gunsmith immediately uses the NJ pinkie test. The first gunsmith asked for paperwork clearly saying, " This is not a flash hider. No paperwork, no job. The second smith, contacts his police contacts leaning on the no go side. In the end, 2nd smith threads, permanently pins and cuts cone from end of "compensator." Only in NJ. can you refer me to the part of the AW ban wording that refers to the pinky test.. I am having some trouble finding it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted January 15, 2015 I would have no issues installing a BC 1.5 as is. In my opinion it indeed passes the "pinky test". The people you talked to seem to me to lack understanding of the subject matter. The extension is not for flash, its to make length for 14.5" barrels. I hope your barrel isn't 14.5 because the smith will then have made it an NFA weapon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jerseyrifle 6 Posted January 15, 2015 20" barrel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted January 15, 2015 And post the name of that smith so we know never to use them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jerseyrifle 6 Posted January 15, 2015 Bullet hole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFNS111 0 Posted January 16, 2015 I'll second the PWS FSC brakes. I have one on a 17s and one on an AR. They work great and have paperwork to vouch for non flash hiding acceptance. I also have a battlecomp which I think might be a little louder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bushmaster1313 61 Posted January 16, 2015 I completely agree with you! You get the wrong person looking your rifle in a scrutinizing way and you are in trouble "until you can prove you are innocent"... You can call me a wimp, but I will not put anything but a target crown on a black rifle. I do not want to ever be in the position of having to prove that a compensator is not a flash hider. Also, I consider it rude to shoot a compensated gun, even a .223/5.56, if anyone is next to you at the range. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted January 16, 2015 You can call me a wimp, but I will not put anything but a target crown on a black rifle. I do not want to ever be in the position of having to prove that a compensator is not a flash hider. Also, I consider it rude to shoot a compensated gun, even a .223/5.56, if anyone is next to you at the range. Wimp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFNS111 0 Posted January 16, 2015 I don't mind a compensated AR but a short barreled 7.62 x 54R will wake you up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted January 16, 2015 Bullet hole Did they at least tell you they were going to do that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites