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We have a no coolaid rule. No secrets yet - there isn't anything to keep secret yet.

 

My previous post is all there is to know at this point. We came up with a list of questions and we divided up the research. At the next meeting we hope to come up with something worth reporting. At this point, we have more questions than answers.

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New article from TPATH

THE PARDON

 

 

Commentary By:

Dwight Kehoe

SAPPA Group

TPATH

 

April 6, 2015 ~TPATH~ This past week Governor Christie took an important executive action which appeared to defend the Second Amendment.  Whether or not it did, it was the right humanitarian thing to do. But it might be a cautious move on the part of conservatives to place a bit of skepticism on his motives as they consider also his slowly sinking campaign.  What was, just a few short missteps ago, supposed to be a luxury cruise to the White House, is a vessel more likened to the sea worthiness of a 58 Chevy making it's way from Cuba to Miami. 

What is being referenced here is his Executive Pardon of Shaneen Allen.  The poor unfortunate soul ensnared in the web of illegal and unconstitutional laws here in the great Garden State.  Two things need to be iterated here.  First; anyone with a heart and soul should thank the Governor. The second; Governor, what the heck took so long?  

In case some reading this may not be aware, Ms. Allen entered the land of Liberty and Prosperity from Pennsylvania in possession of her legally owned firearm. This poor woman, a struggling mother of two children was arrested, incarcerated for days, threatened by Overlord Prosecutors who demanded she accept 3 years in prison.  All the while she was prevented from seeing her children and subsequently fired from her job.  Talk about Liberty and Prosperity! Her life's destruction has been going on now for many months.   So why pardon her now?  

More needs to be said about this pardon and it will be. Read on.

Curious too, that this pardon comes just days after a Town Hall meeting up in Whippany during which the good Governor lamented how he could prevent some of the outrageous firearms laws the people of New Jersey are forced to endure.  All he needs, he so solemnly related, is a Republican legislature.  Not the one he has to deal with.

A legislature by the way, that not just Democrats and previous liberal Republicans helped to create and maintain, but Governor Christie himself has aided and abetted much of it.  New Jersey has been a beacon for illegals as it's "sanctuary state status" has lured in Democratic voters, most of whom arrive illegally and vote illegally. Combine this with New Jersey being the most highly taxed state in the country  with the most easily obtained handouts which has forced flight of the productive while attracting Democratic voters like piranha to bloody flesh.

You see people, he is helpless to help us, even though he really does want to, because he has to deal with a leftist legislature.  But he is not helpless. But in order to maintain illegal laws which he apparently approves of, he needs you to believe he can't do anything about them. 

A man of his background surely is not ignorant of the power of the Chief Executive in New Jersey. Clearly by his statement in Whippany his hope is that the people are the ignorant ones.  But then again, as we revisit the Hurricane Sandy legacy, it may be possible that all that beach time with the world's leading liar and manipulator of truth could have metastasized  into the governor's DNA.  

Be that as it may or may not be, here are some hard facts.

The Governor of New Jersey has the most wide ranging executive set of powers of any of the 50 states. (Or is that 57?)  Unlike the usurper in the White House the Governor of New Jersey can legally write law.  He can legally change laws and he can legally void laws.  The SAPPA Group has on several occasions contacted the Governor via registered mail and requested that he take Executive Action on one of the most unconstitutional laws in the nation.  They asked him to remove by Executive Order the phrase "justifiable need" relating to a person's civil right to carry a handgun. Those requests were not actually denied, because they were completely ignored.  

Mr. Christie does not need a Republican legislature to write an executive order.  He knows he doesn't and now those reading this do too.  So let's take this Executive Order power through the ultimate steps.  Let us suppose Governor Christie was  serious about support of the Bill of Rights.  Here is how he could fix New Jersey's illegal gun laws.

1.  He would create an Executive Order voiding all weapon laws that violate the Second Amendment.  The bill would create a commission to review all those laws and and clear them from the books.  For sure there are several gun laws which are required and are constitutional.  Those would be left in place.  
2. The Executive Order would free every citizen sitting in jails in NJ for violations of the illegal laws as noted by the commission.  Also any person who has a felony conviction on their record as a result of unconstitutional laws, will have them expunged.
3. The left wing New Jersey legislature would have a collective conniption fit, then sponsor and easily pass legislation that would void the Governor's Executive Order.
4. The Governor would then VETO that new bill.  As left wing as the NJ Assembly and Senate are, they do not have the numbers to override the Governor's veto.
5. The Executive Order would stand, New Jersey would be in compliance with the Constitution and murder, rape  and other crimes would drop across the state.


That is what a sitting NJ Governor could do.  But what has ours done?  Well he has appointed and reappointed liberal judges and justices who have and will continue to support illegal legislation.  He has hired an Attorney General who has persistently denied  NJ citizens their right to self protection.  He has appointed a long time liberal Republican to a judgeship in Monmouth County, one Mr. Joe Oxley.  Oxley has made it quite clear during his short tenure that there is no difference between him and those Democrats he has publicly called foes. 

In the short time Mr. Oxley has been dressed in black robes he has denied 99% of carry permit requests.  Those approved were for cronies and elitists, those whom, as anyone understanding the truism of the left, are as equal as the regular folks, but just a bit more equal.  Joe has denied carry permits to retired police officers with many decades of service and experience.  In the Second Amendment supporting community he has dubbed him "Say No Joe".  Let's be clear here.  The Constitution does not give appointed judges or legislators the authority to place arbitrary conditions on the citizen's civil rights.  In fact, it forbids it.

Returning now to Ms. Shaneen Allen.  While it's difficult not to applaud her being pardoned, unfortunately it was, in the entire scheme of things, unconstitutional.  It violates the 14th Amendment which guarantees the equal application of laws to all citizens.  Not just the elite and not just for those people who could be used as a political pawn by those endeavoring to show both compassion and conservatism, but all the people must be treated equally and the laws must be applied consistently.

Because it has been made very difficult and time consuming by the bureaucracy here in NJ to get criminal records and also the SAPPA Group's desire to protect the privacy issues of so many illegally prosecuted citizens, it has been very difficult to get an accurate count of persons who are as entitled to pardons as was Shaneen.   We have the names of many of those "persecuted individuals" but will not list them here. There may be as many as 1000 people, during just the past 7 years, who are in jail, on probation and have lost their constitutional right to vote because they now carry a felony conviction for violating a minor gun law.  We are not speaking of crimes being committed with firearms, we are talking about law abiding citizens who broke, unknowingly or accidentally one of the hundreds of ridiculous and unconstitutional gun laws which were not associated with other criminal violations.

So Governor, want to really prove you are a Constitutional Conservative?  Get out your pen and your phone, reminiscent of your beach buddy, and author up that Executive Order and then call your judges and remind them they don't have the authority under the Constitution to deny the citizens of New Jersey their rights.  While you're at it, call those leftists in the Senate and the Assembly and tell them the same thing. 

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Dwight, I was filled in on the plan by one of the guys who attended your meeting.  It sounds interesting and I hope you have a shot.  I'm in favor of everyone who has an idea trying it because eventually, one of us will make it work.

 

But one criticism:  less words.  It think your ideas are being lost in long paragraphs that very few are reading.  I say this as a brother trying to fight the same fiight, who wants you to suceed.  If you can condense that down to 400 words, you'll get a lot more support because a lot more people wll bother to read it.

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I agree also. If youre writing for your thesis for doctorate than thats fine. But us simple minds need right to the point and we formulate our own opinions Id llike to hear more and not have to pick it apart like a shakespearean play. No offense presented Just my thoughts. If you dont like it please totally disregard my post.

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what gun laws in this state are constitutional, and required?

 

 that one line there lost me. that, and the fact that it reminds me of an nra "the sky is falling" letter.

I've been a member (on and off) of the NRA for over 30 years and I used to get tired of the "sky is falling" letters and phone calls too. Looking back, they were right in one respect, the sky is falling but its one little piece at a time, not everything all at once. And we need to stop every little piece or, before we know it, the sky is down and we didn't even see it falling.

 

People in NJ, NY and Ca have pretty much grown up with overreaching gun laws and to them, those laws are normal. To them, one more "common sense" law will not hurt anything and is good for society. To us, its one more little piece of the sky falling around us IF we don't do anything to stop it

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but that doesn't answer which laws this guy thinks are constitutional. 'cause i don't think any that restrict us are.

 

I agree

 

I think the two of us are beating the same horse for the same reason and somehow we lost track.

 

I think there should only be one gun law on the books, if you commit a crime with a gun or imply you have a gun to commit a crime, you go to jail for 10 years (or more). And using a gun in defense of life, liberty or pursuit of happiness is NOT a crime

 

All other laws are taking away rights from the law abiding citizens

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I agree

 

I think the two of us are beating the same horse for the same reason and somehow we lost track.

 

I think there should only be one gun law on the books, if you commit a crime with a gun or imply you have a gun to commit a crime, you go to jail for 10 years (or more). And using a gun in defense of life, liberty or pursuit of happiness is NOT a crime

 

All other laws are taking away rights from the law abiding citizens

with no possibility of parole.

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I think there should only be one gun law on the books, if you commit a crime with a gun or imply you have a gun to commit a crime, you go to jail for 10 years (or more). And using a gun in defense of life, liberty or pursuit of happiness is NOT a crime

 

Liberals are to such common sense legislation as Dracula is to a crucifix. If they passed such laws they'd be proved wrong on guns in the time it takes to collect statistically valid numbers, like 3-4 months. They know who commit the gun crimes. They know who don't. 

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I see no reason a gun would make the same crime worse than a knife or other armament. You guys are still thinking like Jersey.

 

Also, remember the next step. Corzine makes possession of the gun have the same penalties as committing a crime with the gun.

 

They don't care about crime. Their problem is with you.

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I see no reason a gun would make the same crime worse than a knife or other armament. You guys are still thinking like Jersey.

 

Also, remember the next step. Corzine makes possession of the gun have the same penalties as committing a crime with the gun.

 

They don't care about crime. Their problem is with you.

 

+1,000,000 bonus points!

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We are having another meeting coming up in the next week or two. Anyone that wishes to come. Join in. More the merrier. Lets get more ideas and input. We cant make this happen without you and you and you!!!!! One person can make a difference Be that one person.

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I'm interested as well.  Is there another meeting planned?

We will plan a meeting when we have something more to meet about. We are not 100% convinced that "apply to be denied" is the answer right now!

we are focusing on the recall Sweeney campaign and getting out the 2A vote! Look up recall Sweeney and get involved with us there for now! We can use everyone's help

with this cause! Back NJ2AS by joining and volunteering. Alex is a good guy and is leading NJ2AS in the right direction now!  Thank you captblue1 for your support!!!!

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Has this stuff gone anywhere?

 

From discussion I have had on line with legal types, the SAPPA suit may have issues as they never applied for a CCW, and therefore were never denied.

 

If some of us were to apply, would it help their cause?

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