revenger 473 Posted April 9, 2015 NJ.Com had a story today about one of the Short Hills ( sorry, can't copy and paste on this site)(I wish they would fix that) carjackers who was charged with "unlawful possession of a weapon because he did not have a LAWFUL PERMIT TO CARRY A FIREARM" He was passed out from a PCP intoxication and was found not guilty because he could not have "knowingly" possessed the gun since he was passed out. I wonder if Loretta Weinberg read this story and will go after the justice system with the same ferocity that she attacks law abiding citizens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted April 9, 2015 http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2015/04/short_hills_mall_carjacking_suspect_found_not_guil.html What a friggin crock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barms 98 Posted April 9, 2015 Let's all give a round of applause to his defense attorney. What a guy. Is post his email address here but he'd probably get me thrown in jail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barms 98 Posted April 9, 2015 Or how about this. Just go unconscious if you're ever caught riding packing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revenger 473 Posted April 9, 2015 I'm wondering if I keep my gun in my glove box or center console would that be good to go since the covers were closed and my optometrist testifies that I don't have x-ray vision there is no way I could have known that my gun was in there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted April 9, 2015 Yet if most people are committing a felony if they stop for a coffee en route to the range.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,137 Posted April 9, 2015 i guess fingerprints on the gun and the ballistics test came up clean too. unfuggingbeleivable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted April 9, 2015 Let's all give a round of applause to his defense attorney. Dude, thats the man you want to have on speed dial. Forget Nappen, this is the MAN that can save your ass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OfcrFek 21 Posted April 9, 2015 Well, more than likely that handgun was stolen and/or bought on the street and had no ties to him. If you start riding around with YOUR handgun in the box it may be a little more difficult to claim you don't know how it got there. lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted April 9, 2015 http://www.lawyerscompass.com/new-jersey/bloomfield/614063-beam-raymond-r-jr-attorney.html http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Ray-Beam/123990090 https://local.yahoo.com/info-119485579-beam-jr-raymond-r-bloomfield;_ylt=A0LEV79K9SZVfz8A8ZInnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTE0MjVmZG8wBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMTAEY29sbwNiZjEEdnRpZANZSFMwMDJfMQ-- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD2K 115 Posted April 9, 2015 Wow...I'm speechless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
71ragtopgoat 23 Posted April 9, 2015 Reminds me of jury trials in the south bronx back in the eighties. They set everyone free. One can only scratch your head and wonder about the stupidity of the jury. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spartiati 63 Posted April 9, 2015 In his opening statement, Beam told jurors that "if you find that my client was unable to know, because he passed out on the lawn, what was going on, then your obligation is to find him not guilty." So the jury fell for the old Jedi mind trick... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WP22 1,558 Posted April 10, 2015 Dude, thats the man you want to have on speed dial. Forget Nappen, this is the MAN that can save your ass. Absolutely. All kidding aside. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted April 10, 2015 reminds me of Better Call Saul. In all seriousness and with due respect, it puzzles me how some people find good lawyers. Yet we hear law abiding citizens spending thousands of dollars on lawyer to defend against a simple argument with neighbor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barms 98 Posted April 10, 2015 I'm trying to think of a jingle gun relate that rhymes with Beam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SW9racer 262 Posted April 10, 2015 See, NJ is a must issue state, however only if you are on drugs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJKen 23 Posted April 10, 2015 This is absurd! How can this happen? The laws of this state only apply to the good guys. If that happened to you, me, or anyone else on this forum you know dam well we would be thrown in jail. This state is so dam screwed up and corupt it makes me sick. i just do not know what else to say here.....Im out Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekend_junkie 129 Posted April 10, 2015 This should be titled "short hills murder accomplice" instead of "carjacking suspect". Disgusting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted April 10, 2015 If the holster don't fit, you must acquit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted April 11, 2015 I hate this fugging state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted April 11, 2015 I hate this fugging state. To be fair this wasn't the state. It was the jury. Everyone should keep that in mind when they dodge jury duty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrfly3006 42 Posted April 11, 2015 To be fair this wasn't the state. It was the jury. Everyone should keep that in mind when they dodge jury duty.Great point^^^^ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smokin .50 1,907 Posted April 11, 2015 If the holster don't fit, you must acquit! ^^^^WINNER! And "classic mipafox" I might add, lol! Bob Shapiro was one of the best for what he did. Most of these Kids on here don't know the reference, lol! But alas, more coffee on my monitor, so well done "fox"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted April 11, 2015 To be fair this wasn't the state. It was the jury. Everyone should keep that in mind when they dodge jury duty. They are state residents. It's not the state government it's the mindset of this state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted April 11, 2015 They are state residents. It's not the state government it's the mindset of this state. Oh I bet you this could happen in ANY state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted April 11, 2015 Thanks, Smokin, glad you missed your keyboard this time To be fair this wasn't the state. It was the jury. Everyone should keep that in mind when they dodge jury duty. We don't know who it was. Was this the same judge that wouldn't let the Aitken jury be told that possession of a handgun while moving is legal? It seems the STATE rules vary quite a bit when it comes to reasonable defenses for law abiding citizens vs. insanely ridiculous defenses for criminals. For all we know the judge told the jury that if the criminal was not aware of possession at that precise moment then an element of the crime was not satisfied. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planenut 60 Posted April 11, 2015 In his opening statement, Beam told jurors that "if you find that my client was unable to know, because he passed out on the lawn, what was going on, then your obligation is to find him not guilty." So the jury fell for the old Jedi mind trick... Well it is similar to the infamous Chewbacca defense http://southpark.cc.com/clips/103454/the-chewbacca-defense Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norseman 2 Posted April 12, 2015 We should be blasting our legislators over this every but as vehemently as we have to help out the innocents who've been ensnared in Jersey and ask how dare they continue to go after our right when they fail to prosecute actual real criminals!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,296 Posted April 12, 2015 We should be blasting our legislators over this every but as vehemently as we have to help out the innocents who've been ensnared in Jersey and ask how dare they continue to go after our right when they fail to prosecute actual real criminals!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk We should continually be blasting our legislators about quite a few things, but this particular atrocity was a failing of the judicial branch (the jurors and the prosecutor, really), not the legislative branch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites