bjones1500 0 Posted June 18, 2015 http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/06/expand_god-given_right_to_carry_firearm_in_nj_lett.html So above I put the link to a letter submitted to NJ.com from a subscriber saying NJ should have ccw because it's a god given right. First off I'm not an extremely religious person but I have friends and family that are and have no problems with religion.....but I believe everytime a gun owner uses the "god given right" line it hurts our entire cause. Most Liberals are not religious and mostly atheist and they will rip the line to pieces in two seconds.NJ.com new exactly what they were doing when publishing this letter and using "god given right" in the headline. They used this letter to make all gun owners look like nut jobs. Does anyone else feel this way ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted June 18, 2015 I agree with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,137 Posted June 18, 2015 I agree the God given rhetoric ia a bit hardcore but you got to admit it does roll off the tongue easier than saying inalienable rights.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 826 Posted June 18, 2015 It's a constitutional given right, not a god given right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jm1827 284 Posted June 18, 2015 It's also common sense, people should be allowed to protect themselves, period. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 956 Posted June 18, 2015 Agreed! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,874 Posted June 18, 2015 I think more accurate statements might be: The right to self defense is a God given right. ('Natural' right if you prefer.) The right to the most effective means to do it is a constitutional right. Two separate issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeteF 1,044 Posted June 18, 2015 It's a constitutional given right, not a god given right. NO! NO! NO! If a government gives you a "right" it is not a right but a priviledge. And as such can be taken away by said government. The constituition acknowledges that a right exists (God given, Endowed by our creator, Natural Right take your pick) and can not be restricted by the government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bjones1500 0 Posted June 18, 2015 But we are not governed by the laws of god we're governed by the laws of man, wether we like it or not. If you were to only follow the laws stated in the Bible,Torra,Quran.....etc... you would find yourself in prison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmartAss 11 Posted June 18, 2015 "Natural" is better - the liberals like that word and can't argue against it in any way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 18, 2015 But we are not governed by the laws of god we're governed by the laws of man, wether we like it or not. If you were to only follow the laws stated in the Bible,Torra,Quran.....etc... you would find yourself in prison. Following which part of the Bible will land someone in prison? The laws of man are based around the Bible and religious beliefs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 18, 2015 NO! NO! NO! If a government gives you a "right" it is not a right but a priviledge. And as such can be taken away by said government. The constituition acknowledges that a right exists (God given, Endowed by our creator, Natural Right take your pick) and can not be restricted by the government. Thats what I was going to say Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bjones1500 0 Posted June 18, 2015 Book of Exodus, “The penalty shall be life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.” I'm pretty sure revenge maiming will land you in jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,127 Posted June 18, 2015 Totally agree with the OP. The Declaration of Independence states that we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, among them being the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I like to refer to them as naturally born, Constitutionally protected rights. It's important to remember that the Bill of Rights is not a list of things we can do, but a list of what government can't do to us. PeteF gets it right: "NO! NO! NO! If a government gives you a "right" it is not a right but a priviledge. And as such can be taken away by said government.The constituition acknowledges that a right exists (God given, Endowed by our creator, Natural Right take your pick) and can not be restricted by the government. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djg0770 481 Posted June 18, 2015 It's a constitutional given right, not a god given right. The constitution doesn't GIVE anything. It merely LISTS SOME rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fawkesguy 57 Posted June 18, 2015 The constitution doesn't GIVE anything. It merely LISTS SOME rights. Exactly. See the link in my signature. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 826 Posted June 18, 2015 The constitution doesn't GIVE anything. It merely LISTS SOME rights. Like it or not, the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right. Just ask people who live in other countries that dont have a US Constitution. Self defense of course, is a natural, god given right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newtonian 453 Posted June 18, 2015 http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/06/expand_god-given_right_to_carry_firearm_in_nj_lett.html So above I put the link to a letter submitted to NJ.com from a subscriber saying NJ should have ccw because it's a god given right. First off I'm not an extremely religious person but I have friends and family that are and have no problems with religion.....but I believe everytime a gun owner uses the "god given right" line it hurts our entire cause. Most Liberals are not religious and mostly atheist and they will rip the line to pieces in two seconds.NJ.com new exactly what they were doing when publishing this letter and using "god given right" in the headline. They used this letter to make all gun owners look like nut jobs. Does anyone else feel this way ? I've posted this point-for-point many times. You could say the same about "constitutional" rights. They don't believe in that either. Better to point out experiences in the other 47 states that allow these rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newtonian 453 Posted June 18, 2015 It's a constitutional given right, not a god given right. The Bill of Rights is meant to affirm and secure our natural or God-given rights, NOT to grant them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bjones1500 0 Posted June 18, 2015 Yeah, it's amazing I moved to CT for work a little over a year ago, I couldn't bring my AR lower but I can carry my G26 everyday on my hip...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted June 18, 2015 Following which part of the Bible will land someone in prison? A lot of Leviticus 20? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nu2gunz 22 Posted June 18, 2015 Following which part of the Bible will land someone in prison? The laws of man are based around the Bible and religious beliefs OMG seriously? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikelets456 78 Posted June 18, 2015 OMG seriously? Shall not kill...shall not steal....shall not lie....come on, you're joking, right? BTW on a side note. History ALWAYS repeats itself. In Communist China, Russia, Germany, Cuba, N.Korea, etc all these leaders had to either REMOVE God totally or control it then eradicate God....why? because once God is removed government steps into fill that role...now what they say goes---no firearms? It's up to government to determine. You don't see that being repeated here? For those so against Christianity, remove God you remove all the "Bill of Rights" because those are only enforced my a society believing in a higher power. If God is eradicated, government is now your "higher power" and do you think they have your best interest at heart? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nu2gunz 22 Posted June 18, 2015 Shall not kill...shall not steal....shall not lie....come on, you're joking, right? BTW on a side note. History ALWAYS repeats itself. In Communist China, Russia, Germany, Cuba, N.Korea, etc all these leaders had to either REMOVE God totally or control it then eradicate God....why? because once God is removed government steps into fill that role...now what they say goes---no firearms? It's up to government to determine. You don't see that being repeated here? For those so against Christianity, remove God you remove all the "Bill of Rights" because those are only enforced my a society believing in a higher power. If God is eradicated, government is now your "higher power" and do you think they have your best interest at heart? Aren't we not supposed to discuss religion on these forums? No, I'm not joking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikelets456 78 Posted June 18, 2015 Aren't we not supposed to discuss religion on these forums? No, I'm not joking. If someone's gonna question my belief I am to answer it...I'm accountable to God. With that said, if the mod sees fit to remove these posts it their site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nu2gunz 22 Posted June 18, 2015 If someone's gonna question my belief I am to answer it...I'm accountable to God. With that said, if the mod sees fit to remove these posts it their site. I'm not questioning your beliefs at all. I'm questioning the place they have on these forums and in this discussion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikelets456 78 Posted June 18, 2015 I'm not questioning your beliefs at all. I'm questioning the place they have on these forums and in this discussion. No problem...thanks for the heads up. However, I don't recall anyone really mentioning "religious topics" being off limits. I would hope not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nu2gunz 22 Posted June 18, 2015 No problem...thanks for the heads up. However, I don't recall anyone really mentioning "religious topics" being off limits. I would hope not. I'm new. Maybe I misread the rules. Apologies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites