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We hold that the core provisions of the New York and

21 Connecticut laws prohibiting possession of semiautomatic assault

22 weapons and large‐capacity magazines do not violate the Second

23 Amendment, and that the challenged individual provisions are not

24 void for vagueness. The particular provision of New York’s law

25 regulating load limits, however, does not survive the requisite

26 scrutiny. One further specific provision—Connecticut’s prohibition

27 on the non‐semiautomatic Remington 7615—unconstitutionally

28 infringes upon the Second Amendment right.

 

 

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and here I thought an assault weapon was select fire, silly me. Nice of Conn to officially clarify that for us. So what is an assault weapon? whatever Conn says it is.

Assault Weapon is a term created by the media and liberal politicians.

 

Assault Rifle is an established term that refers to a rifle with select fire.

 

 

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Everyone expected this is exactly how those Democrat appointed bench legislatures would rule. Hopefully this isnt the end and it goes to the supreme court. There are allot of people in free state that dont want the supreme court to hear anymore 2 amendment cases. 

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Assault Weapon is a term created by the media and liberal politicians. Assault Rifle is an established term that refers to a rifle with select fire. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

and this ruling is just another official legitimizing of the term into the common vernacular. cant wait to see how the definition broadens in the coming years.

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I'm sorry to sound negative, but it's stuff like this that makes me feel that we are all doomed.

You have to talk to people that live in America, esp one like Florida, AKA the Gunshine State.

 

It will help to restore your faith.

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"It's not a venacular, it's a Derby...." Nyuk nyuk...

 

and this ruling is just another official legitimizing of the term into the common vernacular. cant wait to see how the definition broadens in the coming years.

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WANG: Thomas King is president of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association, one of the groups that brought the original lawsuits. Technically, the new ruling means they lost the argument at the circuit court. But King says strategically, it's actually a victory.

KING: Yeah, it is. And it's also the final step in allowing us to take our case to the Supreme Court. So yeah, we're very happy about it.

WANG: King says he and his fellow plaintiffs plan to appeal the ruling. And if they do, Adam Winkler, a constitutional law professor at UCLA, says they'll have company.

ADAM WINKLER: The Supreme Court is already mulling a case dealing with bans on assault weapons. They've shown no inclination to take it yet. This case might give the court additional encouragement to do so.

WANG: Winkler says it's just a matter of time before the High Court clarifies what exactly the Second Amendment does require. In the meantime, though, the bans on certain assault-style semiautomatic weapons and large capacity magazines still stand in New York and Connecticut.

 

My two cents: The more mass shootings there are, the less likely that the Court is going to tackle this issue, but I could be wrong

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So they are happy about it.... :blink:

 

It's NY you take what you can get. Wait till NJ safe act is implemented. Sweeny will have to beat out NY so who knows what kind of BS they'll ram down our throats.

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WANG: Thomas King is president of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association, one of the groups that brought the original lawsuits. Technically, the new ruling means they lost the argument at the circuit court. But King says strategically, it's actually a victory.

KING: Yeah, it is. And it's also the final step in allowing us to take our case to the Supreme Court. So yeah, we're very happy about it.

WANG: King says he and his fellow plaintiffs plan to appeal the ruling. And if they do, Adam Winkler, a constitutional law professor at UCLA, says they'll have company.

ADAM WINKLER: The Supreme Court is already mulling a case dealing with bans on assault weapons. They've shown no inclination to take it yet. This case might give the court additional encouragement to do so.

WANG: Winkler says it's just a matter of time before the High Court clarifies what exactly the Second Amendment does require. In the meantime, though, the bans on certain assault-style semiautomatic weapons and large capacity magazines still stand in New York and Connecticut.

 

My two cents: The more mass shootings there are, the less likely that the Court is going to tackle this issue, but I could be wrong

Talk about reaching for the silver lining....

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Sweeney will enact a 3-4 round limit so your revolvers become illegal. However, he'll be packing, CCW, a Glock 19 with 15 rounds in case his life is threatened. After all, he's more important than the rest of NJ residents.

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Sweeney will enact a 3-4 round limit so your revolvers become illegal. However, he'll be packing, CCW, a Glock 19 with 15 rounds in case his life is threatened. After all, he's more important than the rest of NJ residents.

I know that sickens me to my core every time I think of it.

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The Supremes will not hear the case. As for being doomed, that's almost certainly true. 

 

I hate when I have to console myself by thinking that at least I probably won't be around long enough to see it.  

 

Although I suspect things are going to get really ugly here in NJ in a couple of years when we get a Democratic governor who

goes all out to beat the NY SAFE act.  I cringe when they talk about "model legislation."

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what is interesting in the 7round "load limit" is that they word it in a way that since 10 round magazines are still legal AND readily accessible, the loading limit is unconstitutional.  I wonder what that would mean if companies decided to stop selling 10 round magazines all together.  

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I hate when I have to console myself by thinking that at least I probably won't be around long enough to see it.  

 

Although I suspect things are going to get really ugly here in NJ in a couple of years when we get a Democratic governor who

goes all out to beat the NY SAFE act.  I cringe when they talk about "model legislation."

The situation for freedom-loving Americans has become so dire so quickly. Always a pessimist, I used to think that reaching bottom would take decades, that it was possible to watch things unravel for a while and when things heated up perhaps intervene. The current situation across the Atlantic smashes that idea to bits. It's already too late for Eurabia. 

 

Europeans have watched their basic rights disappear, one by one. Freedom of speech these days in Germany and France is limited to "approved" statements that don't offend anyone. We will have such laws on the books in the USA within a decade, five years if as expected the Presidentess-in-Waiting is crowned in January 2017.

 

Both conservative and liberal Justices have eroded our fourth and fifth amendment rights. Our march towards a politically correct police state will continue unabated. 

 

And gun rights, the topic of these forums, will eventually disappear as well. It's been a great 25 years for gun owners in most of the country but changing demographics and the stupidification of our youth spell huge trouble. Pendulums do what pendulums do: They swing.

 

I read something somewhere that Hispanics and Asians overwhelmingly favor gun control. Guess which are the fastest-growing minorities in the US? Throw in the air-headed millenials and a few hundred thousand "migrant" Somalis and Syrians and before long Arizona becomes Texas, Texas becomes Colorado, Colorado becomes Connecticut, Connecticut becomes New Jersey, and New Jersey becomes NY City. It will not happen over years, it will happen overnight.

 

Which is a very long way of saying that you're partly right. Five years ago I was happy that I would not be around to see the worst. Now I'm not so sure. 

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I forsee a mixture of Totalitarianism and Socialism taking root in the near future; for the sake of the children. By 2040 I expect a tipping point, and a lot of Americans to be labeled "domestic terrorists".

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I forsee a mixture of Totalitarianism and Socialism taking root in the near future; for the sake of the children. By 2040 I expect a tipping point, and a lot of Americans to be labeled "domestic terrorists".

 

Given what's happening on college campuses ("free speech zones" and intolerance, anti-Christian and anti-police rhetoric) it will be the "children" who instigate it.

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With the current administration in Austin, I think before you see Texas fall to the liberal dictatorship, you'll see us revert back to being the Republic of Texas.

 

 

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The crux of the problem with these cases are that they are being heard by circuit courts smack dab in the middle of renegade states with whome do not recognize the 2nd Amendment. In fact it is clear that the court ruling has thrown out the baby with the bath water when it comes to applying the proper level of scrutiny that a civil right demands.

 

The "public safety" argument was weighed heavily in McDonald and was rejected under the premise that many of our rights enumerated in the bill of rights have "contriversial public safety implications" (Scalia). That does not mean that states can simply discount them and brush them off. In particular, the anti's use the public safety argument for banning semi auto sporting rifles, when they are used in ~.05% of all gun related murders. I guess they already lost the fight on handguns (Heller) which are invovled in something like 85% of gun related murders so they have to go after something.

 

Another example... My argument is our wonderful news media outlets which deifies people who commit attrocities, particularly when the tool used was a firearm. This application of free speech is responsible for these recent heinous actions. Many times the killers mention in their notes that their goal is to be forever burned into pop culture, of course facilitated by media. Guess what, don't give that to them. Ban reporting on murderers of any kind. It won't be worth it for them and the nut jobs won't do it. Alas we can't because of that pesky 1st amendment....

 

The other issue is that free states can't file a case to challenge once and for all what are the boundaries of what are considered protected arms under the 2A and have them tried in additional Court of Appeals circuits for additional rulings which most likely would be contradictory to the fascist circuit rulings. Instead , cases filed in civil rights repressed states have to follow a trail of destruction up to the Supreme court, which for the best hope is apathetic over what kinds of guns the 2A protects.... at least they'd have an open mind.

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Everyone expected this is exactly how those Democrat appointed bench legislatures would rule. Hopefully this isnt the end and it goes to the supreme court. There are allot of people in free state that dont want the supreme court to hear anymore 2 amendment cases. 

 

 

Bingo.

 

Over 20 judges in that circuit. Two of the three in this ruling were Obama appointees.

 

You guys remember that, right? Hundreds of judges packed into district and appeals courts, and later using the budgetary process of the Senate (even though the Senate has never passed a budget in the Obama age). Well, expect most federal court rulings to go this way for the next 30 years or so. And that's assuming it doesn't get any worse from here.

 

If you guys are counting on the federal government to be your savior, sign up for an Obama phone. They are gone. For good. The only hope for our nation is that the States stand up.

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