mipafox 438 Posted December 18, 2015 There are many guns with no serial #s. Getting the 80% lower is not illegal since it is not a gun. You would probably have do the milling work outside of the PRNJ, or say you did. You can possess it but you can never sell or transfer it to another person! I also believe it would not be transferable to your heirs upon your demise! You can sell it, transfer it, or transfer to your heirs. People sell homemade guns all the time. You can't build it with intent to sell (business) without a license. And I'm glossing over the NJ 'everybody needs a manufacturing license' part, because that's only about bringing the firearm into being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmittyMHS 603 Posted December 18, 2015 So you can have one in PRNJ??? As long as you did the work in a free state? Has anyone tested that yet? I'm thinking that if you have an 80% and a drill it would be called construtive intent or something equally as studid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted December 18, 2015 So you can have one in PRNJ??? As long as you did the work in a free state? Has anyone tested that yet? I'm thinking that if you have an 80% and a drill it would be called construtive intent or something equally as studid. Its the "Gun Making" Loophole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmittyMHS 603 Posted December 18, 2015 But don't you need to be a manufacturer for that? Some loophole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted December 18, 2015 No NJ law against possessing a firearm that you manufactured *IN ANOTHER STATE*. If the other state (like PA, for instance) has no law against manufacturing then you can take your 80% there, finish it to 100% and then return to NJ without having broken any laws (assuming you can legally posses a firearm otherwise, the finished firearm is NJ legal, yadda yadda) I look forward to NJ's gun-a-phobes losing sphincter control once 80% polymer handgun lowers start to become available. You could probably finish those with a cordless drill. "People in NJ can get handguns without a background check!?" There is a 1911 80% metal lower with a jig/hand cutting tool combination available currently. You could buy it with no background check, scoot across the state line to a parking lot in PA, cut the rails by hand in your car and then drive back home (directly) with a new, legal "ghost 1911". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted December 18, 2015 Or you can just get completed lowers for the same price now and not deal with the other part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,845 Posted December 19, 2015 What are you trying to accomplish with an 80% lower? Don't read too much into my post. It wasn't some dark, deep seated objective. It was just something I considered doing. My 'accomplishment' would be successfully building an AR-15 from a receiver I finished myself. I'm not much of a machinist, and I would consider it a challenge. I will not risk a felony crime in NJ to do it. Hence my query about statutory or administrative prohibitions. It might be that somewhere in the future an unserialized untraceable firearm might have value. Or the ability to build one without government permission or record. But that is not the case at the moment. In the meantime, I'm also looking at an AR build with a finished receiver. That is obviously an easier, if not 'easy', path. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted December 19, 2015 Is the same true for 80% pistol frames? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tattooo 220 Posted December 19, 2015 Yep....both are just paperweights until finished outside of PRNJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted December 20, 2015 Good,I'm ordering one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tattooo 220 Posted December 20, 2015 Cool....Post some pics when its all done.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted December 20, 2015 Or you can just get completed lowers for the same price now and not deal with the other part. By 'now' you mean after waiting several months for your pistol purchase permit to get processed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Serious 0 Posted December 21, 2015 We don't have a gun registry so how would they know what guns you own? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted December 21, 2015 The pistol permit form is de facto handgun registration for NJ. The state police get a copy that identifies you, your FID, the pistol make/model and serial #. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted December 21, 2015 We don't have a gun registry so how would they know what guns you own? They only know about the ones you purchased here in the PRNJ!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted December 21, 2015 By 'now' you mean after waiting several months for your pistol purchase permit to get processed. Why would you need a pistol permit for a lower? Especially since you aren't building a pistol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted December 21, 2015 They only know about the ones you purchased here in the PRNJ!!! Which would be all lowers legally aquired Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted December 21, 2015 Which would be all lowers legally aquired Not the F2F purchases necessarily! And certainly not the 80% lowers!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted December 21, 2015 Not the F2F purchases necessarily! And certainly not the 80% lowers!!! F2f lowers acquired legally would also be purchased in NJ. I wasn't commenting on them knowing about it though Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Avalanche 42 Posted December 21, 2015 Serious, on 20 Dec 2015 - 7:16 PM, said:We don't have a gun registry so how would they know what guns you own? Surely, you cant be serious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted December 21, 2015 Sure he is. Says so in his name Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted December 21, 2015 Surely, you cant be serious. Stop calling him Surely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Serious 0 Posted December 22, 2015 Hahaha wtf! this thread took a hard left! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tattooo 220 Posted December 22, 2015 I was thinking the same thing......lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted December 22, 2015 Why would you need a pistol permit for a lower? Especially since you aren't building a pistol I think you've missed the portion of this thread where we've been discussing 80% **PISTOL** lowers, like existing 1911 80% frames and the upcoming 80% polymer lower that will work with glock slides. An 80% pistol lower that you finish in another state and then bring into NJ is a legal work-around for the pistol permitting process in NJ which often takes months and results in registration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted December 22, 2015 I did miss that part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Contrvlr 17 Posted December 22, 2015 An 80% pistol lower that you finish in another state and then bring into NJ is a legal work-around for the pistol permitting process in NJ . I keep picturing standing in front of a judge and proclaiming " It's legal your honor because I went to [ insert your choice of free state here ] and finished it " , then being hauled off to serve 3 to 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmittyMHS 603 Posted December 22, 2015 I keep picturing standing in front of a judge and proclaiming " It's legal your honor because I went to [ insert your choice of free state here ] and finished it " , then being hauled off to serve 3 to 5 I fear you're right on the handgun. Might get away with a long gun though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted December 22, 2015 I keep picturing standing in front of a judge and proclaiming " It's legal your honor because I went to [ insert your choice of free state here ] and finished it " , then being hauled off to serve 3 to 5What would be the charge that brought you before the judge in this hypothetical situation? Remember, it's legal to bring handguns into NJ, and continue to posses them in exempted locations, that you acquired in other states. No FID or purchase permit required. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,652 Posted December 22, 2015 I keep picturing standing in front of a judge and proclaiming " It's legal your honor because I went to [ insert your choice of free state here ] and finished it " , then being hauled off to serve 3 to 5 I definately don't want to be the test case for that.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites