brucin 923 Posted December 21, 2015 This guy made the wrong choice. He should have contacted UPS and had them return to pick up the package. http://nj1015.com/ups-screwup-delivers-lots-of-guns-to-nj-mans-house-now-hes-facing-charges/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted December 21, 2015 I guess he thought that the "Finders Keepers" rule applied. Sent from an undisclosed location. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,321 Posted December 21, 2015 I guess he thought that the "Finders Keepers" rule applied. Sent from an undisclosed location. Not in the PRNJ it doesn't!!! Even if he had called the police after receiving the package he probably would still have been charged with something!!! Hey! This is Jersey!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucin 923 Posted December 21, 2015 If you read this page the guy may have a defense if he hires a really good lawyer. http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0181-unordered-merchandise Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qel Hoth 33 Posted December 21, 2015 If you read this page the guy may have a defense if he hires a really good lawyer. http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0181-unordered-merchandise NJ law says otherwise though. Perhaps he'll get lucky and successfully argue that he didn't "know" the owner, but most likely the package (if he opened it) had paperwork that said who the owner and/or intended recipient was. NJSA 2C:20-6 Theft of property lost, mislaid, or delivered by mistake: A person who comes into control of property of another that he knows to have been lost, mislaid, or delivered under a mistake as to the nature or amount of the property or the identity of the recipient is guilty of theft if, knowing the identity of the owner and with purpose to deprive said owner thereof, he converts the property to his own use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted December 21, 2015 If you read this page the guy may have a defense if he hires a really good lawyer. http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0181-unordered-merchandise Not only does the post above show that in NJ that might not apply, but also there is the issue of coming into the possession of firearms by non-legal means. This isn't just an NJ thing, it is a federal thing as well, as it involves cross state line acquisition of handguns which must involve FFL's in your home state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smokin .50 1,907 Posted December 21, 2015 If he got the package by mistake, threw it in his garage UNOPENED, made NO social media posts or phone calls announcing it or advertising guns for sale/loan/etc., and then went on a business trip or a planned vacation and planned on dealing with it AFTER he returned home, that's one thing. He then has "proof" of no intent to commit a crime. As soon as he opens the box, discovers a Bill of Lading and/or an invoice, he's bound to notify the shipper or intended recipient. Finders / Keepers doesn't apply, lol! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tattooo 220 Posted December 21, 2015 It would be a different story if it were not a firearm....he may have had a leg tonstand to stand on Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted December 21, 2015 Bought a house as is (stupid, I know). While cleaning the house, found a "rifle", 22 I guess. Could have been a BB. This was way before I knew anything about firearms. Called PD, they came, picked it up. And I am still here. In short, if the guy called PD or NJSP or a lawyer, he wouldn't be sitting on bail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucin 923 Posted December 21, 2015 Not only does the post above show that in NJ that might not apply, but also there is the issue of coming into the possession of firearms by non-legal means. This isn't just an NJ thing, it is a federal thing as well, as it involves cross state line acquisition of handguns which must involve FFL's in your home state. I'm not saying the guy is right. He should have called UPS to come and pick up the package as soon as he figured out what he received was not for him. With an expensive attorney he could play the "stupid card" I saw it on a government website to get his charges reduced. Depending on what he tried to do with the contents the gun possession charges will probably be dropped as they are for almost all criminals and the theft charge reduced to possession of stolen property. Provided he can pay several grand for a competent attorney. A public defender is not getting him out of this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,873 Posted December 21, 2015 It's my understanding all firearm shipments require signature. If this guy signed for it I can't imagine how he thought he'd get away with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted December 21, 2015 It's my understanding all firearm shipments require signature. If this guy signed for it I can't imagine how he thought he'd get away with it. Well. the things were repackaged, who knows if the original signature requirement was still there. Also sometimes they just drop off packages without signatures, including guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted December 21, 2015 If the wrong label was put on the box, there would be no signature, unless his original package had it also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,127 Posted December 21, 2015 Maybe he thought he won one of those NRA giveaways? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,873 Posted December 22, 2015 If the wrong label was put on the box, there would be no signature, unless his original package had it also. Alright. Let's assume the re-labeling was a total screw-up, and that no signature required. The package is dropped off. Then, someone with a devious intention should have spirited the entire package off to an undisclosed location. And when other parties came calling said "What package? Those front porch thieves must have made off with it." Still dumb. And of course, illegal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Springfield1911 22 Posted December 22, 2015 Alright. Let's assume the re-labeling was a total screw-up, and that no signature required. The package is dropped off. Then, someone with a devious intention should have spirited the entire package off to an undisclosed location. And when other parties came calling said "What package? Those front porch thieves must have made off with it." Still dumb. And of course, illegal. The problem is the cops recovered the guns. If they couldn't recover them and he played stupid he may have gotten away with it. I'm sure there was a search warrant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted December 22, 2015 That's why the Ruger Precision rifles in 6.5 are hard to come by Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted December 22, 2015 Some charges will be dropped if he pleas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9X19 125 Posted December 22, 2015 You can't fix stupid... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 22, 2015 I'd be scared it was a set up. But he knew it wasn't his and that's what it comes down to Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted December 22, 2015 What was the movie where the "computer" delivers large number of packages including real "assault" weapons to the main character and then calls cops on him ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
concrete_boots 19 Posted December 27, 2015 He must have thought Santa came early. He either didn't know or just not real smart...Smart enough to keep them but stupid enough to still have them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites