mikeyjones 88 Posted February 19, 2016 $500 is outrageous when sjsc is $250 & central jersey is $300 after capitol gains & has indoor as wellAlso the 500 is only for reduced rates. Not unlimited use. Sent from my ONE A2005 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tattooo 220 Posted February 19, 2016 Also the 500 is only for reduced rates. Not unlimited use. Sent from my ONE A2005 using Tapatalk I can't see alot of people joining at those crazy prices Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeyjones 88 Posted February 19, 2016 Only time will tell. Sent from my ONE A2005 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted February 19, 2016 They wont show it to you unless you show them your p2p first. Then say its the law. They just lose all credibility when they make statements like that. If that's their policy, fine - their house, their rules - but own it, don't try to deny responsibility for your policy by claiming it's the law. Adios, Pizza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Patrick 638 Posted February 19, 2016 I believe the shop everyone is talking about is sportsman's rendezvous, not this new range Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted February 19, 2016 I believe the shop everyone is talking about is sportsman's rendezvous, not this new range Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Matters not - same applies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golf battery 1,223 Posted February 20, 2016 Met a few people that were members there today. If its close and you have the money it doesnt really matter. Yesterday and today when i was there. There was a few high end cars there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeyjones 88 Posted February 20, 2016 Met a few people that were members there today. If its close and you have the money it doesnt really matter. Yesterday and today when i was there. There was a few high end cars there. What do you define as "high end cars"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DAHL 58 Posted February 20, 2016 Just to inform an hourly rate of $25 seems to be the going rate at all the NJ indoor ranges open to the public. Whether it be RTSP, in Dover, Gun for Hire in Woodland Park or Tactical Training in Flemington, its the same. The rate seems high but the cost of maintaining a large ultra modern facility like TTC has got to be very high. Consider the electric bill, the heating bill on that place has got to be huge, then add it taxes, employee salaries, maintenance and insurance. In view of this, the $25/hr rate seems fair. You can shoot a lot of ammo in an hour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeyjones 88 Posted February 20, 2016 RTSP is $20/hr http://rtsponline.com/range-rates/ And their membership doesn't give you reduced rates, it lets you use the range as much as you want for 1 price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted February 20, 2016 Just to inform an hourly rate of $25 seems to be the going rate at all the NJ indoor ranges open to the public. Whether it be RTSP, in Dover, Gun for Hire in Woodland Park or Tactical Training in Flemington, its the same. The rate seems high but the cost of maintaining a large ultra modern facility like TTC has got to be very high. Consider the electric bill, the heating bill on that place has got to be huge, then add it taxes, employee salaries, maintenance and insurance. In view of this, the $25/hr rate seems fair. You can shoot a lot of ammo in an hour. Gun For Hire is a whole different beast and well, it is in Northern NJ, close to NYC. Anthony has built up an audience and a reputation and well deserving of the price. RTSP offers a membership that actually includes all the time. TTC offers a membership.... that does not actually give you free range time, but rather a discount. Their VIP membership, at $1,500 only gives you 1 free hour a week. And let's face it... it is in Flemington..... Not Short Hill, Princeton, Weehawken, etc.... Flemington. Plenty of open land and cheap prices. The $25 an hour is not terrible... especially for a 40 yard range... it is the membership pricing that is an issue. This actually reminds me of my gym, Can Do Fitness here in Princeton. They opened ala country club, high end, etc... started charging $130 a month.... they went BK. Right now I am at that gym and paying $60 or so. If you read the range owners page... it does all make sense. They are former pharma execs who decided to open a gun range for their friends... those prices make sense. The question is... are there enough of those people to make the numbers work... and I don't know. From the facebook pictures... the range looks AMAZING. The shop/store looks more like my former UBS office than a gun range though. lol. Mahogany type furniture.... not really modern gun range... more country club for old timers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Patrick 638 Posted February 20, 2016 Their pricing is more or less on par with everyone else. It's their attitude and business model that will make or break them. Face value just based on the website it looks like some big wig with spare cash and maybe a few connections saw a big cash flow opportunity and took it. That's great but they need to cater to the customer instead of the dollar. Fwiw that membership pricing is RIDICULOUS Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted February 20, 2016 The other thing is their hours... 10 - 5 on Sat, and 12-5 on Sunday?!?! Hire another employee or I hope it is open to members only? The busiest days you are open limited hours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golf battery 1,223 Posted February 20, 2016 Talking to the employees they seem aware of most of these issues. Except i didnt talk to them about membership fees. Cause there aint no way in this world im spending 500 for an indoor range. Running your own retail business and being a ceo are two diiferent things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmittyMHS 603 Posted February 20, 2016 Just like going to a high-end bar with $7 beers. They'er keeping the riff-raff out. Shows (to me anyway) that they're not interested in the average blue collar Joe joining their club. We'll see how that works out for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted February 20, 2016 The free market will fix all pricing issues Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damjan 73 Posted February 20, 2016 The free market will fix all pricing issues This. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmittyMHS 603 Posted February 20, 2016 This. Yup Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9X19 125 Posted February 20, 2016 They just lose all credibility when they make statements like that. If that's their policy, fine - their house, their rules - but own it, don't try to deny responsibility for your policy by claiming it's the law. Adios, Pizza Bob agreed! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9X19 125 Posted February 20, 2016 Quite a few Beemers parked out front Lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted February 21, 2016 Quite a few Beemers parked out front Lol. Well, that is western NJ. lol. Everyone has a Beemer, Merc, Lexus, Acura, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeyjones 88 Posted February 21, 2016 Quite a few Beemers parked out front Lol.Maybe I'm jaded. I don't consider beemers "high end". Sent from my ONE A2005 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taipan 0 Posted February 21, 2016 I'm just glad that there are people willing to invest in gun-related businesses in this gun-forsaken State. I couldn't imagine making that kind of investment, especially considering what the State will be like in 2 years when Sweeney becomes Governor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted February 21, 2016 I'm just glad that there are people willing to invest in gun-related businesses in this gun-forsaken State. I couldn't imagine making that kind of investment, especially considering what the State will be like in 2 years when Sweeney becomes Governor. But because it is such a god forsaken place.... that you can really make money in the gun business in NJ. The higher the barriers to entry... the less players, the bigger the monopoly. In the past few years we have had at least a net increase of 3 or 4 ranges with more coming soon. These new ranges are finding the business model needed to succeed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted February 21, 2016 Will be visiting the range with Zoe between 1 and 2, just to check it out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,872 Posted February 21, 2016 Should've stopped by SCFGPA - a lot of us were there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted February 21, 2016 Should've stopped by SCFGPA - a lot of us were there. I did not know what the schedule was going to be. I had Zoe with me the entire day. We were about 3 hours behind schedule. lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted February 21, 2016 I'm impressed. Made it out with Zoe (my 5 month old) to TTC. As always, I try to go to shops and stores and try to blend in, to see how folks are treated without people trying to suck up for the forum. I think Zoe made it hard. lol. A guy wearing a baby in a carrier instead of armor plates. lol. In any case, as I said, I did email the owners through their website contact form a few days ago, but had not set up a meeting. So a lot of my impressions were just as another customer. First and foremost, the people at TTC are all polite, friendly and welcoming. Smiles all around, and folks genuinely felt happy to be there. The facility is definitely different from what else can be found in NJ and most likely anywhere else in the country, except the NRA museum? True to the website, the range is opulent. From the moment you pull up to the range, there is inviting music playing outside, something that is different. When you walk in, you do realize you are not at just another range. The main shop area is big with wood display cases holding firearms. Overall, something similar to the Beretta boutiques and Cabela's Gun Library. When I walked in I saw Dan, the owner chatting with someone so I just went further. Another friendly employee came up and introduced himself, I believe his name was Mike, and I told him I heard about the range and he immediately proceeded to give me the quick tour. One of the things that irks me a tad, and I know is an issue with many newer shooters and women in particular is walking into a range and the first folks you meet are guys built like tanks in tactical gear and a gun strapped to their hip. Even though the Range Officers were, the majority of the staff were warm and inviting people. After the quick tour, Dan came over and immediately recognized me after I introduced myself. Damian, the operations director also came over and we went to the office. I had the opportunity to chat with THE people at the range, Dan and Joan, Damian and Scott? (the head of training.). Immediately recognizable was NJ Gun Forums up on the two computers in the office. =) It was a terrific conversation and I am genuinely impressed with the conversation we had. Most of all, we discussed the range of issues brought up in this thread and a number of other topics beyond here. End of the day, I truly feel they care about comments, concerns and feedback. Yes, they run a business, however know that it is about the community. I brought up a number of topics and feel they will be considered. I do realize it is a brand new range and they are just ramping up. I may not agree with the rollout as a whole, however I think the range has a bright future. The people of TTC are personable and approachable. Stop by and take a look at the range. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Patrick 638 Posted February 22, 2016 That's positive to hear. I hope to check them out soon. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RootSki 5 Posted February 22, 2016 I'm gonna try to go there this afternoon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites