CCW in NJ Possible?

[drjjpdc 39]

A1233 seems like a dream come true for CCW in NJ. Could it get thru the Assembly? Is there a Senate Bill? I can see as a going away present Christie sticking it to the anti-gun crowd, with nothing to lose.

[siderman 1,137]

Heres a few facts to help you figure it out. The demorats invent all the anti gun bills en masse. The republicans do the pro gun side of things. Demorats own the assembly and the senate. The senate speaker of the house decides which bills get heard, he is a demorat. 

[intercooler 41]

to the Op's point?

no.

move along mere citizen!

Carry is only for people above you like retired law enforcement

[maintenanceguy 510]

Heres a few facts to help you figure it out. The demorats invent all the anti gun bills en masse. The republicans do the pro gun side of things. Demorats own the assembly and the senate. The senate speaker of the house decides which bills get heard, he is a demorat. 

 

Actually, in NJ, both the Dems and The Republicans are anti-gun.  A few exceptions exist but only a few.  Three of those exceptions are the pro-gun DEMOCRATS from Cumberland County who have sponsored this bill.  Senator Jeff Van Drew, Assemblyman Bob Andrzejczak, & Assemblyman Bruce Land.

 

Is it going to become law - no chance.   VanDrew's been sponsoring some version of this bill for 10 years.  It never makes it to a committee hearing. 

[Zeke 5,504]

You guys don't think they are watching what is going on nationally? Pander for a job they do

[PD2K 115]

NJ...CCW...

[Zeke 5,504]

Why is everyone so negative here? Maybe that's why we are in the state of the state we are in?

[Parker 213]

Gerry Cardinale ® has also sponsored concealed carry for years. 

 

http://www.northjersey.com/news/senate-defeats-concealed-guns-measure-1.1236172?page=all

 

http://blog.nj.com/njv_publicblog/2009/07/concealed_carry_possible_in_nj.html

 

 

 

But, this is after all, New Jersey, where a BB gun is considered a firearm and slingshots are illegal. 

[xXxplosive 824]

It's going to have to be done on the Federal level and still even then maybe not in NJ.....I dunno

[NickySantoro 211]

Why is everyone so negative here? Maybe that's why we are in the state of the state we are in?

It's not negativity, it's merely recognizing a reality.

[xXxplosive 824]

Remember this...............

 

 

 

New Jersey: Court Upholds Man Arrested For Visible Gun Case In Car
New Jersey appellate court upholds five-year sentence for ex-cop who was driving with his legally owned guns.

 

Motorists driving through New Jersey can be subjected to a warrantless search if their luggage is similar in appearance to a gun case, an appellate court ruled last week. The Superior Court's Appellate Division upheld a five year prison sentence against Dustin S. Reininger, a former police officer who was in the process of moving from Maine to Texas when a Readington Township police officer recognized the cases in the back of Reininger's vehicle as the sort that usually carries a rifle.

During the long trip on March 20, 2009, Reininger became tired and decided to pull off the road in an empty, well-lit parking lot. He stopped his green Toyota SUV, turned off his lights, and went to sleep in the driver's seat under a blanket. At 3:25am, Officer Gregory Wester knocked on his window and woke him up, shining a flashlight in his eyes. Officer Wester testified that Reininger appeared "nervous and tired." The policeman asked Reininger whether he was carrying anything illegal.

"No, no, all good," Reininger replied.

Reininger believes he was targeted because of his Texas license plates. Officer Wester then looked inside the SUV with his flashlight noticed two nylon cases in the back seat. Once backup arrived, Officer Wester asked for consent to search the vehicle, but Reininger said no. Officer Wester then opened up the vehicle to search the cases "for safety reasons" any way. Reininger was arrested.

After obtaining a warrant, police recovered fourteen rifles, four shotguns and three handguns, including a loaded Glock. A grand juror had asked the prosecutor whether this man would have been charged if he had used a different case.

"Basically, if someone is moving... from Residence A to Residence B, or transporting, say, for example, they just purchased it, so they can transport it to their home, if they are properly secured, locked in a trunk, locked in a special lockbox and unloaded, then that would most likely provide an exception to these requirements, and therefore a defense to being charged," prosecutor Bennett Barlyn explained.

Reininger's SUV did not have a trunk, and state law only requires the firearm be in a "closed and fastened case" or "securely tied package" while transported. His attorney argued the zippered cases satisfied this requirement.

A jury acquitted him of the charges for possession of the "assault firearms" and handgun possession but convicted him in absentia of illegal possession of hollow-point bullets, shotguns, rifles and a high-capacity magazine. He was apprehended in Texas and extradited to New Jersey.

"What I don't understand is I am a citizen without a criminal history who has served this country not only in the military but as a volunteer to my community and as a police officer, not even making hardly any income at all, and I would have given my life to protect another person and for this country," Reininger said in a statement. "How can I be convicted for exercising my right? When does it become a crime for exercising one's right?"

The three-judge appellate panel insisted New Jersey's gun control laws do not violate the constitutional right to keep and bear arms, citing the Supreme Court's recent Heller decision.

"The Second Amendment does not create 'a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever purpose,'" Judge Ronald B. Graves wrote for the panel. "Furthermore, the Second Amendment does not preclude the state from regulating the manner in which accessories must be transported."

The court also upheld the warrantless search of Reininger's vehicle.

"Based on the outward appearance of the nylon cases, Wester reasonably believed they contained rifles or shotguns that were easily accessible to defendant," Judge Graves wrote. "In our view, however, the warrantless seizure was not necessary for the officers' safety, because defendant had been removed from the vehicle and there were multiple backup officers at the scene. Nevertheless, we conclude the limited seizure was valid under the plain view exception to the search warrant requirement."
 

[Ace08066 2]

Remember this...............

 

 

 

Ugh...  I never heard about that but if that type-up is accurate then I honestly can't help but wonder why those in the LE community question why most of the general public hates cops?  Sure, you can say they were "just upholding the state's laws" but they clearly threw common sense to the wind and did what they did for a paycheck.  Every officer involved as well as every officer in that station, every prosecutor, every judge, everyone involved that didn't step up and say, "Really, guys?  Really?  C'mon now..." is guilty of being 100% deserving of that "pig" title.  

 

I try to support LE...  But I can't help but feel like they're forgetting their place and forgetting who it is they *actually* work for.  They work for the state, not the government...  The state is the people!

 

On the subject of CCW in NJ...  Wouldn't it be a sight to see after Christie lied his ass off on TV saying "We're making it easier to get a CCW in NJ!" then subsequently and without hesitation veto a bill allowing it?  

 

...  Then all the dumbasses that voted for him last election will still vote for him, because they're sheep! lmfao

[Zeke 5,504]

It's not negativity, it's merely recognizing a reality.

The world is how we make it.

[Newtonian 453]

That's why I always carry in cases that look like this: