gunnarsport 13 Posted May 19, 2016 Hi, Is Hornady Critcal Defense 9mm ammo 100% legal in NJ to use in home for self defense? I am looking to purchase some home defense 9mm ammo and since hollow point is out of the question, wondering what my next best LEGAL option would be? Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted May 19, 2016 Hollow Point is 100% LEGAL to use as Home Defense Ammo.... So yes.... Critical Defense would also be LEGAL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunnarsport 13 Posted May 19, 2016 What?? Since when did Hollow Point become legal in NJ for self defense in home?? Ive been told by many LEO's NOT legal! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,323 Posted May 19, 2016 What?? Since when did Hollow Point become legal in NJ for self defense in home?? You're kidding right? Hollow point ammo has more restrictions than non HP ammo in the PRNJ, but not in your home or at the range. Only in transportation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunnarsport 13 Posted May 19, 2016 I was told its just the opposite! Hollow point is legal to purchase, transport and shoot at range, BUT ILLEGAL to use in home for self defense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted May 19, 2016 If your worried had any makes a critical defense that has a polymer fill thus making it technically not hollow point. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted May 19, 2016 I was told its just the opposite! Hollow point is legal to purchase, transport and shoot at range, BUT ILLEGAL to use in home for self defense. It's illegal to use during the commission of a crime. That includes transport laws. If you are transporting your guns inappropriately, thus illegally, and have hollow points that becomes a crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunnarsport 13 Posted May 19, 2016 Illegal to use in home for self defense, correct? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,682 Posted May 19, 2016 Illegal to use in home for self defense, correct? Legal to use in home for self defense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,323 Posted May 19, 2016 Illegal to use in home for self defense, correct? No. Not correct! 100% legal to use in home for self defense! No restrictions on hollow point ammo unless you are transporting HP ammo from place to place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunnarsport 13 Posted May 19, 2016 Hum. i was specially told by my FFL, a recently retired LEO, that Hollow Points are 100% illegal to use in home for self defense and was told my alternative option is Hornady Critcal Defense 9mm, since its top is polymer filled and technically NOT hollow point. He told me just the opposite of what you guys are saying! Its totally legal to purchase, transport and shoot at range, NOT legal for home defense! I dont get it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,323 Posted May 19, 2016 Say you want to go to the range after work. You pile your rifles and a shotgun in the trunk with ammo. You can drive to work, stop to go shopping, whatever, you are good to go WITH a FPID card. Throw any handgun OR a single hollow point bullet into the above scenario and you are now a Felon. Think of a handgun and a hollow point bullet as the same when transporting, you must take the most direct route, etc. You would not drive around with a handgun on your passenger seat. You should also not drive around with a hollow point bullet in your ashtray. Even a stray .22.HP Both could get you in trouble! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted May 19, 2016 I make it a point not to ask LEO about any firearm law. Present company excluded of course. It is fine to use at home. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damjan 73 Posted May 19, 2016 Hum. i was specially told by my FFL, a recently retired Somerset County Sherrif, that Hollow Points are 100% illegal to use in home for self defense and was told my alternative option is Hornady Critcal Defense 9mm, since its top is polymer filled and technically NOT hollow point. He told me just the opposite of what you guys are saying! Its totally legal to purchase, transport and shoot at range, NOT legal for home defense! I dont get it! He just lied to you. Good that he is retired. There are LEO`s on here that have spoken and by the end of this thread may provide you with even more useful information. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,127 Posted May 19, 2016 It's an entirely separate discussion as to whether polymer tipped ammo like Critical Defense or Guard Dog are considered "hollow points" or not. Some say yes, some say no. If I'm not mistaken, state laws refer to "expanding ammunition." In either case, as others have noted, hollow points are perfectly legal for home defense. The takeaway here: Don't take advice about firearms laws from LEO's (with the exception of the knowledgeable guys on these boards, of course). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunnarsport 13 Posted May 19, 2016 Hum.....Can you guys please direct me the the NJSP Firearms information page what clearly states that its legal?? I dont mean to challenge you all, but just do a google search and it 100% hollow points ILLEGAL in NJ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted May 19, 2016 Hum.....Can you guys please direct me the the NJSP Firearms information page what clearly states that its legal??It won't tell you what's legal. Just what is illegal Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJGF 375 Posted May 19, 2016 From the NJSP website at: http://www.njsp.org/firearms/transport-hollowpoint.shtml Transportation and Use of Hollow Point Ammunition by SportsmenProvided certain conditions are met, a sportsman may transport and use hollow point ammunition. There are no restrictions preventing a sportsman from keeping such ammunition at his home. N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that: (2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)]. Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1). Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows: A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police; A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State; A person going directly to a target range, and; A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions." 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InFamous 311 Posted May 19, 2016 Hornady Critical Duty/Defense is perfectly legal to use at home in self defense as is any hollow point bullet. I have all my HD handgun mags loaded in Duty/Defense. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted May 19, 2016 My head hurts. Didn't hurt till I read this thread. Hey! How 'bout those Yankees?! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunnarsport 13 Posted May 19, 2016 Ok, you guys win. Just curious if you google "hollow points in nj" EVERY SINGLE page that come up says they are illegal! Even that YouTuber Hickok45 says "I feel sorry for NJ residents that hollow points are illegal". Guess EVERYONE is misinformed! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunnarsport 13 Posted May 19, 2016 Johnny B, What on earth would I EVER keep hollow point (or ANY bullets for that matter) in my ashtray??? When i go to range, ammo is securely stored in trunk, separate from my firearms and obviously NOT loaded....EVER!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,323 Posted May 19, 2016 Ok, you guys win. Just curious if you google "hollow points in nj" EVERY SINGLE page that come up says they are illegal! Even that YouTuber Hickok45 says "I feel sorry for NJ residents that hollow points are illegal". Guess EVERYONE is misinformed! You broke the code! NJ gun laws are backwards in many ways. Including the way they are written. In the PRNJ, everything is illegal unless exempted by statute. If it is not mentioned, like breathing air, it is not illegal! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJGF 375 Posted May 19, 2016 Ok, you guys win. Just curious if you google "hollow points in nj" EVERY SINGLE page that come up says they are illegal! Even that YouTuber Hickok45 says "I feel sorry for NJ residents that hollow points are illegal". Guess EVERYONE is misinformed! I saw that one recently and cringed when he said it.. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,323 Posted May 19, 2016 Johnny B, What on earth would I EVER keep hollow point (or ANY bullets for that matter) in my ashtray??? When i go to range, ammo is securely stored in trunk, separate from my firearms and obviously NOT loaded! I was simply trying to get you to equate a handgun and a hollow point bullet as the same thing. Both have the same restrictions for transport. Non HP ammo does not apply. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJGF 375 Posted May 19, 2016 "PRNJ"??? http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/PRNJ PRNJ Peoples' Republic of New Jersey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,323 Posted May 19, 2016 "PRNJ"??? Welcome to the Peoples Republic of New Jersey! (PRNJ) Not to be confused with those FREE states that honor our Constitutional rights and hold them dear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damjan 73 Posted May 19, 2016 Ok, you guys win. Just curious if you google "hollow points in nj" EVERY SINGLE page that come up says they are illegal! Even that YouTuber Hickok45 says "I feel sorry for NJ residents that hollow points are illegal". Guess EVERYONE is misinformed! Probably due to many intertwining interpretations and then the web does what it does. Takes opinions as a fact. Actually come to think of it your Sheriff friend may have not understood all hollow point aspects of same as Hickock. So i take back that its good that he is retired. I wish him a Happy Retirement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites