John Willett 70 Posted December 1, 2016 From ANJRPC Yesterday. I'm going to the statehouse on Monday. Anyone else? On Monday, December 5, at 2:00 p.m., the New Jersey Assembly Law & Public Safety Committee is scheduled to hear A4179 and A4180 - "suicide prevention" bills which have little actual impact on suicide but represent a massive attack on every shooting range in the state and every person who uses them. Please attend this critical hearing at the New Jersey State House Annex, 125 West State Street, Trenton NJ 08608 (room to be announced). The bills as presently written would require the owner or operator of every range and gun club to verify that every range user has an FID card, NJ carry permit, or pistol purchase permit, along with government-issued photo ID, every time that person uses the range. That is an impossible burden for most ranges to meet - most ranges are unstaffed or staffed sporadically by volunteers. Few ranges have staff during all operating hours. NO SHOOTING ACTIVITY COULD OCCUR ON ANY RANGE THAT IS NOT STAFFED TO VERIFY CREDENTIALS. The bills as presently written would also prevent you from using your own firearms on a range unless the range first verifies your credentials, every time you use the range, and bans all temporary transfer on a range unless the range verifies the credentials of both the transferor and transferee. THIS IMPACTS A HUGE SWATH OF SECOND AMENDMENT ACTIVITY, INCLUDING TRAINING, COMPETITION, TARGET PRACTICE, OPEN HOUSES, RANGE GUESTS, HUNTER EDUCATION, WOMEN'S EVENTS, ETC. (see below for detailed examples). The bills, sponsored by Assemblyman Ralph Caputo (D28), are extremely overbroad and wide-ranging in their effect. Instead of narrowly addressing a specific limited problem, the bills cast an enormous net over every range in the state and every person that uses them, and would dramatically disrupt traditional Second Amendment activity that has occurred for decades without incident. Many ranges would be forced to close, and those able to stay open would be severely burdened and disrupted. We have communicated our concerns to Assemblyman Caputo and have been told that bill amendments are forthcoming, but our request to postpone the December 5 hearing has not been accepted. As a result, based on past experience, there will likely be confusion at the hearing Monday, as it is declared that last-minute amendments (that have not been fully analyzed) address our concerns, when in fact they do not. We have seen this scenario many times in the past on firearms legislation and we have not seen one instance where last-minute amendments have adequately addressed gun owner concerns. Please immediately contact all members of the Assembly Law & Public Safety Committee and Assemblyman Caputo and tell them to OPPOSE A4179 and A4180 or postpone the December 5 hearing. No one will be made safer by this legislation, and they should focus on targeted solutions directed at the specific issue they are trying to address, rather than a broad-brush approach that harms every NJ range and every person who uses them. Click here for Legislator contact information. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel 7,157 Posted December 1, 2016 This is now the 3rd thread on same topic, LOL.... This one... http://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/84311-a4179-and-a4180-requiring-fids-to-use-ranges/ And this one... http://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/83672-a2666a2667-no-temporary-transfers/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cereza 106 Posted December 1, 2016 The more the merrier? Hopefully all this discussion translates into attendance at the hearing. I'm interested in going, but where's the public parking? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,682 Posted December 2, 2016 I've come to the conclusion that NJ politicians are THE STUPIDEST FUCKERS ON THE PLANET. sorry if anyone is offended. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darrenf 422 Posted December 2, 2016 I've come to the conclusion that NJ politicians are THE STUPIDEST FUCKERS ON THE PLANET. sorry if anyone is offended. Not arguing your point, but what in this bill makes you say that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted December 2, 2016 Not arguing your point, but what in this bill makes you say that? Precisely! The last thing they are is stupid. They know *exactly* what they're doing. They're just trying to convince the sheeples that it's something else... something the sheeples can accept (suicide prevention), as opposed to, "We're trying to shut down gun ranges" (what they're really trying to do). Always, always, keep the "end game" in mind.... CONFISCATE....CONFISCATE...CONFISCATE.... 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buns of Guns 7 Posted December 2, 2016 Realistically, this is just a rehearsal for when it has a chance at passing (2018 Democratic governor). It might even fail to reach Christie's desk with the way it's currently written, but Monday gives the sponsors feedback from reluctant dems so they can fine tune the bill 18 months from now. Some version of this legislation will pass in 2018. Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYMetsFan86 9 Posted December 2, 2016 wasn't this pulled from the agenda? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,323 Posted December 2, 2016 wasn't this pulled from the agenda? For now.....Yes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael2013 56 Posted December 3, 2016 I'm a bit disappointed that the bill was stopped. Given the upcoming changes in SCOTUS, it could be that proverbial straw that breaks the back of the camel. The whole NJ anti-gun scheme could be eliminated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T Bill 649 Posted December 3, 2016 Only to be re-added at a later date with shorter notice to keep us off our toes and out of their way. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted December 3, 2016 Only to be re-added at a later date with shorter notice to keep us off our toes and out of their way.This^^^^The fight never stops. And,um, for you outta here types. Other states have Dem also. Your options are coat tails or front row. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Willett 70 Posted December 7, 2016 Thanks to everyone for the calls and email that lead to these being pulled! Anyone interested in more details about this proposed legislation and the events surrounding its inclusion in, and subsequent removal from, the agenda for that hearing can watch this interview with Scott Bach linked below. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites