ajpaul59 7 Posted January 12, 2017 http://freebeacon.com/issues/national-reciprocity-bill-will-apply-non-resident-gun-carry-permits/ Hudson confirms this bill will apply to all permits (resident and non-resident)... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hairless_Ape 76 Posted January 12, 2017 Damn you AJ, stealing my thunder. Lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tattooo 220 Posted January 12, 2017 That is very good news ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PDM 91 Posted January 12, 2017 Christie's term ends exactly 1 year from now. Hudson's reciprocity bill has already been introduced and given the R majority in both houses, and the likelihood that at least a few dems from red states will vote in favor, it has a decent chance of passing (really depends on whether the senate could override a filibuster). If it does pass, Trump will clearly sign it, and while I'm not sure of the timing, I'm guessing it would be fairly soon -- let's say by June. I could see Christie directing his AG NOT to challenge the bill in court. If for no other reason than to annoy Loretta Weinberg and the other rabidly anti-gun ownership NJ Democrats in the legislature. Assuming that is correct, the earliest NJ would mount a challenge would be exactly one year from now when a new (likely Democrat) governor takes office, By that time, after 6 months or so of legal carry in NJ, I wonder if getting an injunction or even mounting a challenge at all would be feasible. Many "ifs" in the equation, but I'm starting to get cautiously optimistic despite myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted January 12, 2017 Someone set off a small EMP next to Weinbutt! [emoji12] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sig226GuyNJ 128 Posted January 12, 2017 Wow. Is this finally the little glimmer of light at the end of our very long and dark tunnel? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 12, 2017 I really think this is going to happen. Times are changing.....quickly,bigly, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djw2033 28 Posted January 12, 2017 Within first 100 ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 12, 2017 He'll sign it in a second. Gotta get it to PRESIDENT Trump's desk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indianajonze 379 Posted January 12, 2017 I really think this is going to happen. Times are changing.....quickly,bigly, Big league Sent from my Nexus 6P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sig226GuyNJ 128 Posted January 12, 2017 Well, I just filled out a non resident NH carry permit application. I finally have a reason to apply for one! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sig226GuyNJ 128 Posted January 12, 2017 I honestly can't see how this WON'T pass, considering the Reps hold the majority in both House and Senate, and we have a Rep POTUS. If it doesn't pass, it'll be because of the RINOS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 12, 2017 I honestly can't see how this WON'T pass, considering the Reps hold the majority in both House and Senate, and we have a Rep POTUS. If it doesn't pass, it'll be because of the RINOS.they have constituent to think of. 2 years we are going to see big voter turnout. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 12, 2017 Well, I just filled out a non resident NH carry permit application. I finally have a reason to apply for one!I have my Florida packet sitting here waiting to be filled out. Chief said no problem for prints. Doesn't this bill require photo id? And does NH give that? Or has this changed? Va you can do online I think. Or is that W va? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobblackrifle 28 Posted January 12, 2017 Antonin Scalia's replacement is not set to be named until February. I doubt he will sign any controversial legislation before the Supreme Court is in place with a conservative majority. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Princetonian58 53 Posted January 12, 2017 I have my Florida packet sitting here waiting to be filled out. Chief said no problem for prints. Doesn't this bill require photo id? And does NH give that? Or has this changed? Va you can do online I think. Or is that W va? Utah and Florida require submission of a passport sized photo and the license will carry the photo. New Hampshire only requires you to fill out their form and mail a check; no photo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 12, 2017 Utah and Florida require submission of a passport sized photo and the license will carry the photo. New Hampshire only requires you to fill out their form and mail a check; no photo.Doesn't this bill require photo? I believe it does Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sig226GuyNJ 128 Posted January 12, 2017 I have my Florida packet sitting here waiting to be filled out. Chief said no problem for prints. Doesn't this bill require photo id? And does NH give that? Or has this changed? Va you can do online I think. Or is that W va? Utah and Florida require submission of a passport sized photo and the license will carry the photo. New Hampshire only requires you to fill out their form and mail a check; no photo. I think what Zeke is asking is if this Reciprocity Bill requires a photo on your carry permit. If that's your question Zeke, I don't know the answer to that but would like to find out before I send my app and money to NH as they do not require a photo. The only reason I chose NH was because of how easy it is, but if a photo is required, I'll have to look at other states that do require a photo on the permit. Anyone care to chime in? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sig226GuyNJ 128 Posted January 12, 2017 Doesn't this bill require photo? I believe it does Does anyone know if this is true or not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Princetonian58 53 Posted January 12, 2017 I honestly can't see how this WON'T pass, considering the Reps hold the majority in both House and Senate, and we have a Rep POTUS. If it doesn't pass, it'll be because of the RINOS. I agree. If it gets through the Senate, Trump will sign it. The problem will be litigation by the gun grabber states like NJ/NY/MD/CA and the like to block it via injunction. A main weakness is that the legislation effectively forces all states to be subject to the standards for issuance of a carry permit by the least stringent state, such as Utah. FL and other states require proof of completion of a firearms training class. That requirement would be circumvented by simply obtaining a Utah non-resident permit. Thus, I can see even some of the free states having some objections and concerns about the bill as currently drafted. Then again, some states have a more rigorous procedure to obtain a plenary driver's license than others yet one state's license is as good as any for travel through the entire country. Will be interesting to watch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 12, 2017 I agree. If it gets through the Senate, Trump will sign it. The problem will be litigation by the gun grabber states like NJ/NY/MD/CA and the like to block it via injunction. A main weakness is that the legislation effectively forces all states to be subject to the standards for issuance of a carry permit by the least stringent state, such as Utah. FL and other states require proof of completion of a firearms training class. That requirement would be circumvented by simply obtaining a Utah non-resident permit. Thus, I can see even some of the free states having some objections and concerns about the bill as currently drafted. Then again, some states have a more rigorous procedure to obtain a plenary driver's license than others yet one state's license is as good as any for travel through the entire country. Will be interesting to watch. Of those states you list. Only Nj does not grant carry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Princetonian58 53 Posted January 12, 2017 I think what Zeke is asking is if this Reciprocity Bill requires a photo on your carry permit. If that's your question Zeke, I don't know the answer to that but would like to find out before I send my app and money to NH as they do not require a photo. The only reason I chose NH was because of how easy it is, but if a photo is required, I'll have to look at other states that do require a photo on the permit. Anyone care to chime in? Yes, I agree but he also asked whether having NH would satisfy a photo requirement if one exists in the new bill. It would not for the reasons I gave. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 12, 2017 Friends, I just had a back-and-forth with Kerry Picket of the Daily Caller. Here is a link to the newly revised bill: https://hudson.house.gov/uploads/Con...0of%202017.pdf The new bill deletes the line that would have limited the reciprocal right to carry to non-residents. a) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any 9 State or political subdivision thereof (except as provided 10 in subsection (b)) and subject only to the requirements 11 of this section, a person who is not prohibited by Federal 12 law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving 13 a firearm, who is carrying a valid identification document 14 containing a photograph of the person, and who is car 15rying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant 16 to the law of a State and which permits the person to 17 carry a concealed firearm or is entitled to carry a con 18 cealed firearm in the State in which the person resides, 19 may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a 20 machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped 21 or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any 22 State that— ‘‘(1) has a statute under which residents of the 24 State may apply for a license or permit to carry a 25 concealed firearm; or ‘‘(2) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed 2 firearms by residents of the State for lawful pur 3poses. This from Kerry of the Daily Caller: I updated my first piece to address this issue. A congressional source told me this: "an individual from one of those states may obtain a non-resident CCP from a state that recognizes the right to carry. All CCP holders (whether resident or non-resident) still have to abide by all the laws of the state in which they are carrying concealed." Here is a pull from her new story, posted today: This would mean that even law abiding individuals who are residents in tough restrictive gun law states like Maryland, California, and New York, for example, can use a non-resident concealed carry permit from another state, like Utah, to conceal carry in their own state. If this language survives the bill's arduous journey, we will finally be able to carry in our own state. Ah here it is 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 12, 2017 Sig 226 I'm going to stick with my Florida. Prolly get printed tomorrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Princetonian58 53 Posted January 12, 2017 Of those states you list. Only Nj does not grant carry. By statute, NJ does provide for carry, just not in practice. The clarification that came out says any permit/license will suffice, resident or non-resident so it's moot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sig226GuyNJ 128 Posted January 12, 2017 Sig 226 I'm going to stick with my Florida. Prolly get printed tomorrow. If the legislation requires a photo on the permit, I will apply for FL as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 12, 2017 By statute, NJ does provide for carry, just not in practice. The clarification that came out says any permit/license will suffice, resident or non-resident so it's moot. the argument is of the states that will fight this. Therefore carry states that you have listed that " practice " are less likely to fight this.Not Moot. NJ is the wild card depending on the timing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 12, 2017 By statute, NJ does provide for carry, just not in practice. The clarification that came out says any permit/license will suffice, resident or non-resident so it's moot. as far as picture is your point, I believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foxhunter 4 Posted January 12, 2017 If this thing comes to light NJ will be issuing cc permit I bet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,321 Posted January 12, 2017 It says, "who is carrying a valid identification documentcontaining a photograph of the person, and who is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuantto the law of a State and which permits the person tocarry a concealed firearm or is entitled to carry a concealed firearm" So you need a photo ID such as a drivers license and a carry permit. It does NOT say the photo must be on the carry permit. Plain and simple language here. 2 separate documents. Plain as day! NH is good to go! 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites