T Bill 649 Posted February 9, 2017 West Virginia, 1.85 million people, 1,000 last names, priceless. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 9, 2017 I don't understand. What about West Virginia? and what are you saying about it? Thanks $30 online carry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted February 9, 2017 West Virginia, 1.85 million people, 1,000 last names, priceless. West Virginia, where the toothbrush was invented. Had it been invented anywhere else, it would today be known as a 'teethbrush' 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TR20 47 Posted February 10, 2017 $30 online carry I did not know that, thanks for the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newtonian 453 Posted February 10, 2017 West Virginia, 1.85 million people, 1,000 last names, priceless. We stayed at a B&B in Maine 30 yrs ago. Four years later we were heading back but we forgot where it was. "Don't worry, we know the town and their name was Johnson." When we got to the town I found a phone directory. There were like 5 full pages of Johnsons. We called a couple and one finally knew where the B&B was located. I'm going to go all NJ2AS on you guys now: It was because of that visit that Maine now enjoys Constitutional Carry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 10, 2017 Ciento Cicuenta Dos( sp?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nnjrescue1 14 Posted February 10, 2017 up to 152 co-sponsors. Still only 2 Dems. Anyway - I cant figure out where I found it but some website gives this bill a 5% chance of getting to Prez Trumps desk. LOL. Them are some good odds. I am sure its not taking the current congressional situation in account and rather looking at the history of similar bills. Just found it funny. They could of at least given it a 7% chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 10, 2017 up to 152 co-sponsors. Still only 2 Dems. Anyway - I cant figure out where I found it but some website gives this bill a 5% chance of getting to Prez Trumps desk. LOL. Them are some good odds. I am sure its not taking the current congressional situation in account and rather looking at the history of similar bills. Just found it funny. They could of at least given it a 7% chance. over 50%( r) of the house is co sponsoring. Please try to find that fake news link Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sam1 18 Posted February 10, 2017 up to 152 co-sponsors. Still only 2 Dems. Anyway - I cant figure out where I found it but some website gives this bill a 5% chance of getting to Prez Trumps desk. LOL. Them are some good odds. I am sure its not taking the current congressional situation in account and rather looking at the history of similar bills. Just found it funny. They could of at least given it a 7% chance. over 50%( r) of the house is co sponsoring. Please try to find that fake news link https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr38 Prognosis: 5% chance of being enacted according to PredictGov (details) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 10, 2017 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr38 Prognosis: 5% chance of being enacted according to PredictGov (details) Sounds like Trump chance of winning the election 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supranatural 66 Posted February 10, 2017 PredictGov sounds like another liberal think tank... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 10, 2017 At some point this propaganda needs to stop. It's like the Dems are going full blown Nazi germany here. I can't see how this bill won't make it out of committee, let alone sub committee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 10, 2017 Jeebus! Nh is going constitutional carry! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ficus 36 Posted February 11, 2017 I wrote an email to my lovely representative Donald Norcross about this issue and I finally got a response. It was basically told me to go pound sand. I can't wait to get out of this state. Here's his response. "Thank you for reaching out to me with your concerns about proposals for a national concealed carry law. I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts with me on this issue. As your Representative, I am grateful for the opportunity to respond to you directly. As you know, there are several proposals currently in Congress that would allow for national concealed carry practices. These bills would allow for persons who already possess a state-issued concealed carry permit for their personal firearm to travel across state borders where their permits may not allow them to travel currently. They would also allow concealed carry permits to reciprocate across states. I believe that local and state decisions to limit permits for concealed firearms should be respected. A national concealed carry law would override state and local authorities, and would directly oppose existing New Jersey laws on concealed carry permits. Currently, applicants in New Jersey for a concealed carry permit must demonstrate a justifiable need to carry a concealed firearm. National concealed carry laws would undermine the will of the people in New Jersey and other states and cities across the country. Individual states and cities should have the authority to choose for themselves the best practices on firearms when it comes to keeping streets safer for our children while ensuring that the Constitutionally-guaranteed right to bear arms is ensured. Thank you again for your interest. If I may be of any assistance to you in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me. Sincerely, Donald Norcross Member of Congress" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hugger 1 Posted February 12, 2017 I received the same letter. He is NOT supportive and somewhat condescending. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sam1 18 Posted February 14, 2017 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr38 Prognosis: 5% chance of being enacted according to PredictGov (details) Now it is 1% ???? Prognosis: 1% chance of being enacted according to PredictGov (details) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cereza 106 Posted February 14, 2017 Now it is 1% ???? Prognosis:1% chance of being enacted according to PredictGov (details) Prognosis Details This bill has a 1% chance of being enacted. Factors considered: The overall text of the bill decreases its chances of being enacted. The bill's primary sponsor is a Republican. The bill is assigned to the House Judiciary committee. The bill's primary subject is Crime and law enforcement. (Factors are based on correlations which may not indicate causation.) Predictions are by PredictGov. I'll wager that the same language in the bill that would really help us here in NJ, is responsible for the dismal chances of it passing. They might want to drop the provision about non-resident permits granting resident-state reciprocity to get it passed. It won't help us in the short term, but it will pave the way for a successful legal challenge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fred2 367 Posted February 14, 2017 Trump had a 1% chance of getting elected. Don't put too much trust in these projections. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted February 14, 2017 ^^^^^THIS^^^^^ I think it will pass! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekend_junkie 129 Posted February 15, 2017 You guys keep bringing up the revenue aspects of these licenses. Just do the math. It's bubkes. No state is going to change their stupid laws for an extra $30 million in revenue.This is not apples-to-apples, but CT is going after $9MM. http://www.guns.com/2017/02/10/ct-gov-malloy-wants-to-up-pistol-permit-background-check-fees/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darrenf 422 Posted February 15, 2017 This is not apples-to-apples, but CT is going after $9MM. http://www.guns.com/2017/02/10/ct-gov-malloy-wants-to-up-pistol-permit-background-check-fees/ This is not changing a position. This is a way to make things more burdensome on legal gun owners while simultaneously raising more revenue. A win win to these people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted February 16, 2017 F**K CT! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtd771 18 Posted February 16, 2017 This is not apples-to-apples, but CT is going after $9MM. http://www.guns.com/2017/02/10/ct-gov-malloy-wants-to-up-pistol-permit-background-check-fees/ I'm surprised he just didn't propose that the new fee would be equal to the budget deficit. That way there would either be no permits or only one and a balanced budget. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nnjrescue1 14 Posted February 16, 2017 oh christ - http://www.spartaindependent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20170215/NEWS01/170219970/0/experts05/%91No-to-concealed-carry%92 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekend_junkie 129 Posted February 16, 2017 oh christ - http://www.spartaindependent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20170215/NEWS01/170219970/0/experts05/%91No-to-concealed-carry%92What a duplicitous ignoramus. "We don't want anyone from any state to be able to carry a gun in New Jersey," Panozzo went on, Panozzo added that he hoped that gun owners could work with the Brady Campaign on the issue of gun violence. “We want well-trained, fit American citizens to have guns and use them for the defense of their family, for hunting, for sport,” he said. I'm well-trained and fit! Where's my carry permit?? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted February 16, 2017 Was he patting his 4-o-clock as he said that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Stu 1,884 Posted February 16, 2017 "We want well-trained, fit American citizens to have guns and use them for the defense of their family, for hunting, for sport,” he said. It's really hard to use a gun for defense if you have to leave it at home. "Hold on there chap! Please stop beating me while I run home to get my gun" Are these people born this way or are there special classes were you learn to suspend logical thought? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sam1 18 Posted February 16, 2017 "We want well-trained, fit American citizens to have guns and use them for the defense of their family, for hunting, for sport,” he said. It's really hard to use a gun for defense if you have to leave it at home. "Hold on there chap! Please stop beating me while I run home to get my gun" Are these people born this way or are there special classes were you learn to suspend logical thought? Born this way .... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcc 6 Posted February 17, 2017 Its is because of this ignorance that I have no hope of ever being able to carry in NJ. ......under HR 38, someone who was deemed unfit to own a gun by New Jersey's standards could acquire a gun in a state with less strict vetting, and legally carry it in New Jersey...... What make you unfit to carry a gun in NJ is if you have not been assaulted repeatedly by someone who has vowed to kill you. The mother of stupidity is always pregnant!!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites