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Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017 Hudson, NC

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Bhunted I'm with you. Look at all the articles coming out from the left spewing lies about the the concealed carry bills all of a sudden... There's a reason for that. They're running scared because they know the possibility of their little house of cards tumbling down is very, very real. I think concealed carry will pass, and when it does and the streets don't run red from bloodshed, the libtard progressives will just have their "facts" and "logic" go up in smoke when exposed to the light of day...

 

 

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supernatural is absolutely right, the more they attack him and go nuts  :hysteric: , the more I know he's doing something right ....

 

I really hope concealed carry passes as my other option is to leave NJ which is not easy for me right now ..

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Not even 25% into his term.

4.16% @

 

i know i know, and i have that in mind. but what about all of the talk during the debates about all the stuff each of them was going to repeal/pass on "day 1"? there was a nice little flurry there in the beginning, but you have to admit the past few weeks have been a serious drag. and that's just trump. here we have a majority in both the house and senate and not a single meaningful law has been passed yet. we've been waiting for this moment for 8 years and nobody was prepared?  election was over on november 8. you mean to tell me that it took 4 months to basically draft obamacare-lite? it screams of incompetence, and that's being kind. the more i see of paul ryan and mitch mcconnell the more i think they're pure obstructionists masquerading as conservatives. 

 

i want to think cc reciprocity will pass, but the reality is things like obamacare and tax reform are MUCH more mainstream, and even they can't get done. right-wing, "extremist-nra" crackpot things like cc reciprocity and hpa are a mere pipe dream if the meat and potatoes can't get cooked. i don't even hear much protest from the gun-grabbers anymore, which is a sure sign to me that even they think there's no imminent threat.

 

i have to really hand it to the democrats. they get in power and they march full steam ahead on all their destructive agenda. no wavering, no compromise, no wasting time or soul-searching. just ram it through and stack the courts to block any challenges. if the right side had this much passion we'd be living in a utopia

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i know i know, and i have that in mind. but what about all of the talk during the debates about all the stuff each of them was going to repeal/pass on "day 1"? there was a nice little flurry there in the beginning, but you have to admit the past few weeks have been a serious drag. and that's just trump. here we have a majority in both the house and senate and not a single meaningful law has been passed yet. we've been waiting for this moment for 8 years and nobody was prepared? election was over on november 8. you mean to tell me that it took 4 months to basically draft obamacare-lite? it screams of incompetence, and that's being kind. the more i see of paul ryan and mitch mcconnell the more i think they're pure obstructionists masquerading as conservatives.

 

i want to think cc reciprocity will pass, but the reality is things like obamacare and tax reform are MUCH more mainstream, and even they can't get done. right-wing, "extremist-nra" crackpot things like cc reciprocity and hpa are a mere pipe dream if the meat and potatoes can't get cooked. i don't even hear much protest from the gun-grabbers anymore, which is a sure sign to me that even they think there's no imminent threat.

 

i have to really hand it to the democrats. they get in power and they march full steam ahead on all their destructive agenda. no wavering, no compromise, no wasting time or soul-searching. just ram it through and stack the courts to block any challenges. if the right side had this much passion we'd be living in a utopia

Obamacare didn't happen overnight

And I will add, change takes time. But, the worst changes happen quickly.

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Not all talk. Just because he said from day one. I don't think he thought that a wall would be placed in front of him by the demothugs.

 

I like what he said yesterday. Something to the affect that if 'they' don't get onboard, 'they' may not be here in 2018.

I think this shows he's getting pist but still smiles and he's right. They are fooking with him in everything he does. They all need to get together and work on shit. By now, I'd like to think everyone is tired of this bullshit. The dems are hurting everyone, including their constituents as well.

 

First person I'd get rid of if it were possible is the douchebag Schummer. Yesterday he stated they would stall Goersuch(sp?) because he wants to see what the FBI is going to do with the Russia probe. What the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China. Next kick in the ass is Maxine Waters. That dumb bimbo keeps threatening impeachment. Another walking douchebag.

 

So don't blame Trump for the slow down. Blame the dems. The guy is feverishly working non-stop. Only thing that people are a little miffed at is the order of what he is trying to do. As long as he gets them done, I could care less how long.

 

 

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I'm confused, this supposed to be 3/22 (yesterday) update, according to that article he stated “We have 129 co-sponsors, including three Democrats" but according to https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22HR+38%22%5D%7D&r=1, as of yesterday, the bill has 180  co-sponsors, including three Democrats???

 

He also stated "The bill, also known as H.R. 38, would eliminate the disorder of state carry laws by allowing individuals who have a license to carry permit from their resident state to exercise those rights across state lines."

 

 

Am I missing something here?

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i know i know, and i have that in mind. but what about all of the talk during the debates about all the stuff each of them was going to repeal/pass on "day 1"? there was a nice little flurry there in the beginning, but you have to admit the past few weeks have been a serious drag. and that's just trump. here we have a majority in both the house and senate and not a single meaningful law has been passed yet. we've been waiting for this moment for 8 years and nobody was prepared?  election was over on november 8. you mean to tell me that it took 4 months to basically draft obamacare-lite? it screams of incompetence, and that's being kind. the more i see of paul ryan and mitch mcconnell the more i think they're pure obstructionists masquerading as conservatives. 

 

i want to think cc reciprocity will pass, but the reality is things like obamacare and tax reform are MUCH more mainstream, and even they can't get done. right-wing, "extremist-nra" crackpot things like cc reciprocity and hpa are a mere pipe dream if the meat and potatoes can't get cooked. i don't even hear much protest from the gun-grabbers anymore, which is a sure sign to me that even they think there's no imminent threat.

 

i have to really hand it to the democrats. they get in power and they march full steam ahead on all their destructive agenda. no wavering, no compromise, no wasting time or soul-searching. just ram it through and stack the courts to block any challenges. if the right side had this much passion we'd be living in a utopia

TrumpCare will fail for the same reasons Obamacare failed and Hillary's plan never got on track. Our HC system is an ugly Frankenstein monster combining the worst of socialism and the free market. Regardless of which way we go (personally I believe it's too late for the market to work), the HC system can only be fixed by studying it closely, impartially, and finding the waste and inefficiencies, of which there are many.

 

 

For example, 30 years after computers became cheap I still have doctors -- young guys -- who brag that they don't know shit about computers. Instead they have tons of paper records and a zillion middle aged women running around their offices acting like brain surgeons.

 

Probably half of all medical procedures, and a similar percent of medicines, don't do an f-ing thing. They're a waste. There's also a ton of waste in regulations. Hospital costs are fictional. 5 days can cost over $100,000. 

 

And it's in nobody's interests to fix it. Everybody's making a ton of money and meanwhile our life expectancy is like 40th worldwide. 

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TrumpCare will fail for the same reasons Obamacare failed and Hillary's plan never got on track. Our HC system is an ugly Frankenstein monster combining the worst of socialism and the free market. Regardless of which way we go (personally I believe it's too late for the market to work), the HC system can only be fixed by studying it closely, impartially, and finding the waste and inefficiencies, of which there are many.

 

 

For example, 30 years after computers became cheap I still have doctors -- young guys -- who brag that they don't know shit about computers. Instead they have tons of paper records and a zillion middle aged women running around their offices acting like brain surgeons.

 

Probably half of all medical procedures, and a similar percent of medicines, don't do an f-ing thing. They're a waste. There's also a ton of waste in regulations. Hospital costs are fictional. 5 days can cost over $100,000. 

 

And it's in nobody's interests to fix it. Everybody's making a ton of money and meanwhile our life expectancy is like 40th worldwide. 

FRAUD is biggest contributor to the HC situation today. And its committed by EVERY participant of that system including the Patient. Illegal immigration, Tax funded social programs and legalized (yet fraudulent) malpractice awards are at the core of it. 

 

Shutdown all tax funded programs, kick illegals out and deregulate completely (hands off). Market will rattle for about 5 years but will come back like new and balanced. 

 

But we all know thats not happening. 

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FRAUD is biggest contributor to the HC situation today. And its committed by EVERY participant of that system including the Patient. Illegal immigration, Tax funded social programs and legalized (yet fraudulent) malpractice awards are at the core of it. 

 

Shutdown all tax funded programs, kick illegals out and deregulate completely (hands off). Market will rattle for about 5 years but will come back like new and balanced. 

 

But we all know thats not happening. 

Back in my libertarian days I believed the market could solve everything. It can't. The cost of going cold turkey full-freedom on healthcare today would be far greater than a five-year rattle. Practically every hospital would close. Every drug company would go out of business. Millions of people would be out of work. Curiously I don't think mortality would go up THAT much if at all -- it might actually go down -- but every death would be plastered across the media. We would probably have civil war. 

 

That's because the myth of healthcare is in our DNA and the economics based on that myth are incredibly complex and parasitic. The belief that our "healthcare" is good for us runs deeper than the belief that child molestation is bad. The medical industry has brainwashed us so deeply, we're in a hole we can't climb out of.

 

We could have done this up until around 1970. Even then there would have been social upheaval but it would have been manageable. 

 

The only solution is the type of study I alluded to earlier, eliminating waste, and a single-payer system. 

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100% bullshit.

 

People will pay money to keep themselves alive, and certainly pay to keep their families alive.

 

The entire problem is the government construct and the HMO system that has taken root. Once health insurance is actually INSURANCE and not some sort of "bennie," as the fucking idiots say (because they are stupid and actually think they are not paying for it), things will work themselves out.

 

What are the medical procedures that have gotten cheaper instead of more expensive? Lasik eye surgery and plastic surgery. Why? They are not "covered" by health insurance, that's why.

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Ok, so what am I missing?

  

You missed the video.

Click play if you are so inclined and if you have the 2:19 minutes to spare.

Ok, I listened to the video twice. Maybe I am thick. I heard nothing clarifying the point about needing a resident state permit. 68chris, I would appreciate you elaborating.

 

Btw, as has been discussed by Bach and Nappen on Gun4Hire several times over the last year, such wording might not directly help us here day one. However it would enable most other US citizens to carry in NJ except for us NJ residents. Such a situation would pave the way for us to get CC.

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Back in my libertarian days I believed the market could solve everything. It can't. The cost of going cold turkey full-freedom on healthcare today would be far greater than a five-year rattle. Practically every hospital would close. Every drug company would go out of business. Millions of people would be out of work. Curiously I don't think mortality would go up THAT much if at all -- it might actually go down -- but every death would be plastered across the media. We would probably have civil war. 

 

That's because the myth of healthcare is in our DNA and the economics based on that myth are incredibly complex and parasitic. The belief that our "healthcare" is good for us runs deeper than the belief that child molestation is bad. The medical industry has brainwashed us so deeply, we're in a hole we can't climb out of.

 

We could have done this up until around 1970. Even then there would have been social upheaval but it would have been manageable. 

 

The only solution is the type of study I alluded to earlier, eliminating waste, and a single-payer system. 

So ? As all the fraud ridden, incompetent hospitals & drug companies go out of business (a bit of stretch), someone else figures out a better way.  Knowing who is going to pay for it, People will care more about their health.  Providers either compete or go out of business.  Free market does not prohibit people forming "clubs", "coops", "organizations" to negotiate bulk rates.  Instead of being forced through employers or IRS, one can shop around across any artificial boundaries and still get better (than today) rates. 

 

From the day existing model gets dismantled completely, thrown into trash, it doesn't even take 5 years for total transformation. 

 

This is similar to dooms day predictions by certain NJ population if NJ were to go constitutional carry overnight. The world would be better place. 

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Ok, I listened to the video twice. Maybe I am thick. I heard nothing clarifying the point about needing a resident state permit. 68chris, I would appreciate you elaborating.

 

Btw, as has been discussed by Bach and Nappen on Gun4Hire several times over the last year, such wording might not directly help us here day one. However it would enable most other US citizens to carry in NJ except for us NJ residents. Such a situation would pave the way for us to get CC.

 

The video didn't mention anything about "a State" vs. "resident State" but at least has the correct co-sponsors count.

 

It looks like the writer copied that text from the bill "Summary" which uses "resident State" instead of the bill text that uses "a State", I believe the bill text is the accurate one (I/we hope).

 

Whoever wrote that article didn't pay attention to the actual interview or to the text of the bill , sad ...

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The writer mixed up the Senate version with the House​ version. Hudson's bill as written will help us if you possess an out of state non resident CC permit. The Senate's version clearly states that you need a RESIDENT carry permit. This coupled with Hudson himself saying the Senate will be a tough push might be a problem for NJ residents.

 

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Thanks for the clarification. Am hoping for the best, but

 

I think even if we at least get the Senate version ("Resident")into law, it would still represent a huge step forward. I recall Bach also saying it would be less susceptable to a constitutional challenge by the anti- states.

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The writer mixed up the Senate version with the House​ version. Hudson's bill as written will help us if you possess an out of state non resident CC permit. The Senate's version clearly states that you need a RESIDENT carry permit. This coupled with Hudson himself saying the Senate will be a tough push might be a problem for NJ residents.

 

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I just read an article that says the House version has provisions that penalize states that try to arrest legally carrying citizens by requiring then to pay the legal fees of the person if they successfully defend their case in court.

 

 

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Imagine if NJ politicians find a way to create some sort of loop hole where as one can carry on their person as long as the gun is unloaded and the ammo is kept in a separate vessel, like a backpack or something. Seems legit for this state.

 

 

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Ok, I listened to the video twice. Maybe I am thick. I heard nothing clarifying the point about needing a resident state permit. 68chris, I would appreciate you elaborating.

 

Btw, as has been discussed by Bach and Nappen on Gun4Hire several times over the last year, such wording might not directly help us here day one. However it would enable most other US citizens to carry in NJ except for us NJ residents. Such a situation would pave the way for us to get CC.

 

Really nothing to elaborate or any big news to report, it was more of a "Hang in there, everyone is focusing on Healthcare and Gorsuch nomination right now" from Rep. Hudson. A two minute video interview from Hudson regarding HR38 is a definite must watch for us.

The text, as Sam pointed out, was a cut and paste job with old information.

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It is true, only at the Federal level will we see any relief here in NJ.

Either a US Supreme court decision (like a Peruta, which btw is awaiting cert right now)

or a National Reciprocity Bill like the Hudson one....let's hope for both of the above.

 

Our elected representatives here in NJ would not let Christie even add a word or two to our justifiable scheme. It is a travesty.

 

A Hudson type law and or Peruta type positive US Supreme court decision are our only hope.

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