PK90 3,570 Posted May 3, 2017 Remington jumping in. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sevenshot 98 Posted May 3, 2017 My dad in NC ordered one off Buds a few months ago. They are way backordered. You have to wait at least 90 days before you can ask for a full refund if you get tired of waiting. They are very cool! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 3, 2017 I'm not going to post who bought one or from what FFL, BUT I've seen one first hand and I want it bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ricky_Bobby 130 Posted May 4, 2017 19 hours ago, Ray Ray said: I'm not going to post who bought one or from what FFL, BUT I've seen one first hand and I want it bad. ^^ME TOO - And I do not want the Remington copycat version either - 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted May 4, 2017 Oddly they cannot be shipped to TX or OH. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 956 Posted May 4, 2017 According to the NJSP - they are classifying it as a pistol (need HG permit) until the AG makes a final ruling................... Or so i am told. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 4, 2017 30 minutes ago, JT Custom Guns said: According to the NJSP - they are classifying it as a pistol (need HG permit) until the AG makes a final ruling................... Or so i am told. I do not think that is how the person bought it, but I didn't ask. Nor will I. I still want one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Matrix 105 Posted May 5, 2017 I saw videos on YouTube on these items. Cool as hell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted May 5, 2017 Anybody know of a roof / ceiling console that can be mounted in an F-150? Excellent place for a Shockwave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 5, 2017 50 minutes ago, Old School said: Anybody know of a roof / ceiling console that can be mounted in an F-150? Excellent place for a Shockwave. I'm sure you can think of something pops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted May 5, 2017 See in addition to concealed carry it is legal in SC with or without a permit to have a loaded firearm in your glove box or console. Over head would be great because you wouldn't sweep yourself deploying in either direction, It would have to be covered though to protect from theft and to eliminate brandishing. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
555R 0 Posted May 5, 2017 Yeah I want that shockwave also. The coolness factor is high. But no one will sell me one in NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted May 5, 2017 Somebody tell what ffl to ship one to that will transfer it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted May 5, 2017 I'm sure several FFLs are pushing to find out as soon as possible how these fall in to the anti-NJ scheme of things, given all the salivating that's going on. To be clear, you can add me to the drooling list. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sevenshot 98 Posted May 14, 2017 If you don't live in NJ, Bud's is starting to honor the wait list orders so they might have some in stock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted May 14, 2017 On 1/25/2017 at 8:30 AM, Purple Patrick said: Vepr 12 and saiga MAGS are junk. Shotguns shouldn't be mag fed and that's that. this signature exceeds the 15 character capacity count No issues with my Saiga 12. The one in the video feeds fine and when my tax stamp is approved mine will be just like this one except for a chaos rail. https://evlutionz.com/saiga-12/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blacksmythe 71 Posted May 15, 2017 On 5/4/2017 at 5:26 PM, JT Custom Guns said: According to the NJSP - they are classifying it as a pistol (need HG permit) until the AG makes a final ruling................... Or so i am told. ?? this place is weird.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted May 16, 2017 Wasnt the ruling supposed to be on the 15th Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ricky_Bobby 130 Posted May 17, 2017 Update - Now, for not wanting to publicly post the FFL who told me this, but inquired about a pistol transfer to him yesterday as he's a bit closer to me than Steve @ Monmouth - I asked about doing a transfer on a 590 Shockwave if I could win one off Gunbroker, and he told me verbatim "Not NJ legal - it is a short barreled shotgun which is a no-no" - I thought the whole point of the Raptor grip installed at the factory makes it a 26.5" AOW and non NFA? There is even an ATF letter on the Mossberg website. Sigh. This will probably be one of my first purchases around Labor Day when I am settled in to my new digs in NC. On 5/13/2017 at 8:21 PM, Sevenshot said: If you don't live in NJ, Bud's is starting to honor the wait list orders so they might have some in stock. If you read Buds website they will not ship to NJ - probably because we are fucking retarded in this state, even though its legal - odd that also TX is also not being shipped the Shockwave, per Buds - Mossberg has everyone scratching their heads! "I mean it LOOKS illegal, but is it??" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted May 17, 2017 So wait, is this NJ kosher or not? Why is it not a "shotgun" ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ricky_Bobby 130 Posted May 17, 2017 14 minutes ago, Maksim said: So wait, is this NJ kosher or not? Why is it not a "shotgun" ? It never had a stock attached at the factory so it is not a shotgun. Read the AOW definition. The pistol grip only Mossbergs that come in the tube (the ones that do NOT come with a shoulder stock), are AOW's, and not shotguns. They have 18" barrels. The raptor grip on the Shockwave, combined with the 14" barrel makes it 26.5" overall length - which is one of the requirements of an AOW (over 26") - If you took the Shockwave's raptor grip off, and put a pistol grip on it or a shoulder stock on it, you would now have an illegal short barrel shotgun and an NFA item. They key is it never came with a shoulder stock and the overall length is over 26". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted May 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Ricky_Bobby said: It never had a stock attached at the factory so it is not a shotgun. Read the AOW definition. The pistol grip Mossbergs that come in the tube (the ones that do NOT come with a shoulder stock), are AOW's, and not shotguns. They have 18" barrels. The raptor grip on the Shockwave, combined with the 14" barrel makes it 26.5" overall length - which is one of the requirements of an AOW (over 26") - If you took the Shockwave's raptor grip off, and put a pistol grip on it or a shoulder stock on it, you would now have an illegal short barrel shotgun and an NFA item. They key is it never came with a shoulder stock and the overall length is over 26". So.... we live in NJ and we all suck for it and NJSP and AG make up crap as they go along. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ricky_Bobby 130 Posted May 17, 2017 Yep - does this surprise you? I was just appalled that an FFL in this state was trying to tell me that it was an SBS - Its one thing to say "NJ AG hasn't ruled yet, waiting to hear", but if you don't know it meets the AOW definition that is not good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted May 17, 2017 I think you have your terms mixed up. This is not an AOW. An AOW (Any Other Weapon) is a Title II (NFA) classification for a firearm with a length less than 26" and a barrel less than 18". The Shockwave is a Title I firearm because the length is over 26". 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,662 Posted May 17, 2017 1 hour ago, PK90 said: I think you have your terms mixed up. This is not an AOW. An AOW (Any Other Weapon) is a Title II (NFA) classification for a firearm with a length less than 26" and a barrel less than 18". The Shockwave is a Title I firearm because the length is over 26". Correct. Over 26", smoothbore/Shotgun barrel less than 18", a manual action, and has never had a shoulder stock attached to it. This is classified as a Firearm, not an AOW as per the Gun Control Act - just like those Black Aces shotguns. http://www.mossberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Shockwave-Letter-from-ATF-3-2-17.pdf Keep in mind there are two definitions in play, the GCA and the NFA when classifying these weapons and they are Federal definitions. States can restrict them further - as NJ has done requiring a P2P to acquire one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oakridgefirearms 224 Posted May 18, 2017 I was told the Shockwave is under review by the AG's office as to it's legality............... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Matrix 105 Posted May 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, Oakridgefirearms said: I was told the Shockwave is under review by the AG's office as to it's legality............... That's not very promising news. We already know the answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robot_hell 72 Posted May 18, 2017 I've always wondered what their review consists of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted May 18, 2017 If the NJAG classifies it as an "Other Weapon" and a "firearm" per the NJ Statutes, then that would open the door for a Federal Title II "Any Other Weapon". Some here may remember, that as a NJ Dealer, I had legally acquired a few Mossberg AOWs (14" barrel and <26" OAL) as I had an SOT. The NJSP made me get rid of them. They said that they would consider them as an SBS or a Destructive Device. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,662 Posted May 18, 2017 NJSP has recently authorized the purchase of the Black Aces shotguns, categorized as a "Firearm" - no stock, 14" barrel, mag fed, manual action, over 26" in length. Their guidance to the purchaser and to the NJ FFL was to put it on a NJ P2P and treat it as a pistol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites