Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 18, 2017 The legality is ridiculous. I remember a few years ago a gun shop in my area sold a bunch of Benelli M4's with pistol grips. A BUNCH. They had to call the customers back to the shop and return the guns. So, anything is possible. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ricky_Bobby 130 Posted May 18, 2017 15 hours ago, High Exposure said: Correct. Over 26", smoothbore/Shotgun barrel less than 18", a manual action, and has never had a shoulder stock attached to it. This is classified as a Firearm, not an AOW as per the Gun Control Act - just like those Black Aces shotguns. http://www.mossberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Shockwave-Letter-from-ATF-3-2-17.pdf Keep in mind there are two definitions in play, the GCA and the NFA when classifying these weapons and they are Federal definitions. States can restrict them further - as NJ has done requiring a P2P to acquire one. Thank you yes I was a bit off - my point was that it is not a SBS - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CageFighter 236 Posted May 28, 2017 On 5/18/2017 at 0:06 AM, High Exposure said: NJSP has recently authorized the purchase of the Black Aces shotguns, categorized as a "Firearm" - no stock, 14" barrel, mag fed, manual action, over 26" in length. Their guidance to the purchaser and to the NJ FFL was to put it on a NJ P2P and treat it as a pistol. unfort, its 3x the price of the Shockwave. any new updates? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted June 22, 2017 12.8" Barrel 31.2" OAL 12.2" LOP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,871 Posted June 22, 2017 https://www.ammoland.com/2017/06/mossberg-590-shockwave-legal-new-jersey/#axzz4kDKIqEvC Nappen says No - falls under Destructive Device... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted June 22, 2017 Nappen is wrong again. THE ARTICLE SAYS: "The 590® Shockwave is a “Destructive device” under NJ Gun Law because it is capable of firing a projectile greater than .60 Caliber (12 Gauge = .729 Caliber) and it is NOT a shotgun." The statute actually reads greater than 60 caliber, not .60 caliber. "any weapon capable of firing a projectile of a caliber greater than 60 caliber, except a shotgun or shotgun ammunition generally recognized as suitable for sporting purposes". He forgot the "or" part as bolded above. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,871 Posted June 22, 2017 Let's set him straight then! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted June 22, 2017 Mr Nappen isn't always right. But since NJSP can't make up their mind this will continue to be a mystery. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oakridgefirearms 224 Posted June 24, 2017 On 6/22/2017 at 5:06 PM, PK90 said: Nappen is wrong again. THE ARTICLE SAYS: "The 590® Shockwave is a “Destructive device” under NJ Gun Law because it is capable of firing a projectile greater than .60 Caliber (12 Gauge = .729 Caliber) and it is NOT a shotgun." The statute actually reads greater than 60 caliber, not .60 caliber. "any weapon capable of firing a projectile of a caliber greater than 60 caliber, except a shotgun or shotgun ammunition generally recognized as suitable for sporting purposes". He forgot the "or" part as bolded above. So your interpretation of this is the part I highlighted in red would be a description of the type of weapon (one that can shoot shotgun ammo), rather than them saying the ammo itself - shotgun ammo - is not a destructive device? In other words you would interpret this to say - any weapon capable of firing shotgun ammunition generally recognized as suitable for sporting purposes - is not a "destructive device", correct? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,365 Posted June 24, 2017 On 5/17/2017 at 3:28 PM, Maksim said: So.... we live in NJ and we all suck for it and NJSP and AG make up crap as they go along. On 5/17/2017 at 10:31 PM, Oakridgefirearms said: I was told the Shockwave is under review by the AG's office as to it's legality............... On 5/18/2017 at 0:06 AM, High Exposure said: NJSP has recently authorized the purchase of the Black Aces shotguns, categorized as a "Firearm" - no stock, 14" barrel, mag fed, manual action, over 26" in length. Their guidance to the purchaser and to the NJ FFL was to put it on a NJ P2P and treat it as a pistol. The NJSP doesn't make decisions what is legal and illegal in NJ. The AG's Office does this. Remember the AO M1 carbines that a dealer sold after getting an okay by the NJSP? He then had to get them all back. The AG's Office has been overstepping it's bounds in one respect IMO. They are anot executive branch. The judicial branch is supposed to interpret laws. The AG has been legislating from the office on what they will and will not prosecute. Now part of this is the gun laws in NJ which in some respects areally as clear as mud. The legislature is too busy looking at bs laws rather than clear up ones already on the books. The latest I heard of is the release of helium balloons due to litter and they are ingested by sea turtles. Now helium balloons are something NJ residents discuss daily. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted July 1, 2017 On 6/23/2017 at 10:06 PM, Oakridgefirearms said: In other words you would interpret this to say - any weapon capable of firing shotgun ammunition generally recognized as suitable for sporting purposes - is not a "destructive device", correct? Yes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CageFighter 236 Posted August 3, 2017 On 6/22/2017 at 5:06 PM, PK90 said: Nappen is wrong again. THE ARTICLE SAYS: "The 590® Shockwave is a “Destructive device” under NJ Gun Law because it is capable of firing a projectile greater than .60 Caliber (12 Gauge = .729 Caliber) and it is NOT a shotgun." The statute actually reads greater than 60 caliber, not .60 caliber. "any weapon capable of firing a projectile of a caliber greater than 60 caliber, except a shotgun or shotgun ammunition generally recognized as suitable for sporting purposes". He forgot the "or" part as bolded above. what caliber is a 20 gauge? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted August 3, 2017 22 minutes ago, CageFighter said: what caliber is a 20 gauge? 0.62" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Matrix 105 Posted August 4, 2017 any news on this bad boy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted August 4, 2017 I'm going to email them in an official capacity from work on monday and see what I get. Might be more inclined to get an answer that way 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Matrix 105 Posted August 4, 2017 That would be great. I'm applying for pistol permits and if that what it takes, so be it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barms 98 Posted August 4, 2017 "Why doesn't someone just call the AG and ask". ?? :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[email protected] 57 Posted September 5, 2017 Bluelinefinish how did they respond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charleslee 44 Posted September 12, 2017 So... can I get a definitive answer? Is it legal here? I'd like to get the Remington 870 Tac-14. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barms 98 Posted September 14, 2017 Best video review of this gun is that guy from Thunder Ranch. Compare that to the Hickock45 review and boy you really learn a lot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted September 14, 2017 Nappen is highly over rated. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted September 15, 2017 On 9/12/2017 at 6:35 PM, charleslee said: So... can I get a definitive answer? Is it legal here? I'd like to get the Remington 870 Tac-14. Thanks. I bought the Tac 14. It’s really nice to handle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charleslee 44 Posted September 15, 2017 Rob, did you get it here or in the free state of FL? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted September 15, 2017 6 hours ago, charleslee said: Rob, did you get it here or in the free state of FL? Sorry--FL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charleslee 44 Posted September 15, 2017 Figured. Lucky you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted October 16, 2017 Howell just announced he got the ok to sell the Shockwave 590 in NJ as a as a long gun. No pistol permit needed. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted October 16, 2017 Howell just announced he got the ok to sell the Shockwave in NJ as a rifle. No pistol permit needed.Sent from my iPad using TapatalkRifle? [emoji12] Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,365 Posted October 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, bhunted said: Howell just announced he got the ok to sell the Shockwave in NJ as a rifle. No pistol permit needed. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Good news! The AG's office must have tried to twist the law every which way but could find no reason to deny sales. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites