Christie trying to improve gun carry regs (from the Record)

[Stonecoldchavez 92]

if the DEMS are gonna sue next week , why cant the REPUBLICANS counter sue?

 

Because they are RINO's and have no balls. They are "Dem Lights" in the PRNJ. 

[Stonecoldchavez 92]

It is smoke and mirrors by Christie. Without it being law......poof......it will be rescinded with the next governor. Shit, it would take the SP 10 months or more to get up to speed to finish background checks and try to figure out a way to issue CCW permits. IF Christie really wanted to do something, it should have been done to years ago when it was hot. 

[Newtonian 453]

It is smoke and mirrors by Christie. Without it being law......poof......it will be rescinded with the next governor. Shit, it would take the SP 10 months or more to get up to speed to finish background checks and try to figure out a way to issue CCW permits. IF Christie really wanted to do something, it should have been done to years ago when it was hot. 

He adopted his new found love of guns during the campaign, at least in part for political reasons. I predicted a year ago guns would be part of why he would drop out after a couple of contests. However it was not guns that did him in but the Trump phenomenon. During this process he must have had a genuine change of heart on guns. That's the only explanation for him doing this. His political career is over, no more asses to kiss either on the national or state level. 

 

Gun owners are at least partly to blame for him not acting earlier. We should have applied more pressure early in his tenure as governor, especially during the time leading up to his decision to run for President. Pelting him with letters, emails, questions at town halls, etc. might have had some effect because we had clues from the beginning that he was/is not entirely hopeless on the subject of gun rights. Also recall that NRA snubbed him instead of engaging him, an unbelievably stupid show of self-righteousness that most folks in these forums cheered. "HE"S A RINO blah blah blah." 

 

So if you want to know why it took him so long look into a mirror.

[kirk2022 43]

Legislature is voting this afternoon on their new bill to kill this. Plus another tomorrow.     Maybe someone more computer savey then me can post the E-Mail that came this morning from ANJRPC

[siderman 1,138]

 

Please Tell Legislators to Vote No!

 

March 13, 2017 - Bypassing the committee hearing process entirely, and without even posting the text of the measure for public review, anti-gun lawmakers have at the last minute scheduled a full Senate floor vote this afternoon on resolution SCR-149. The resolution is in support of a legal challenge to the Christie Administration's new regulation (adopted last week) allowing those facing serious threats to qualify for a handgun carry permit.

 

A companion resolution, ACR-234, has also been scheduled for a full Assembly floor vote this Thursday, March 16.

 

Please immediately tell every State Legislator to Vote NO on SCR-149 / ACR-234. Tell them that it is extreme and outrageous to intentionally block those facing serious threats from defending themselves, especially since the U.S. Supreme Court has held that the policy have no legal duty to protect individual citizens. A "yes" vote will create victims and prevent the most vulnerable members of society from defending themselves.

 

Legislator contact information is available by clicking here.

 

"The Right to Bear Arms necessarily includes the right to self-defense with a firearm outside the home," said ANJRPC Executive Director Scott Bach. "Although 43 states recognize that right, New Jersey remains one of a handful of backward states that apparently prefer their citizens to become victims - except for legislators, who themselves enjoy the armed protection of State House security. New Jersey's days denying its citizens right to carry are numbered."

[Twospot 38]

Amazes me how this sh*t never ends.

[Zeke 5,504]

Amazes me how this sh*t never ends.

It's because we take it, collectively

[Zeke 5,504]

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/roster.asp

[Zeke 5,504]

" what is my justifiable need"?

 

Well that's up to the state police?

" can they predict the future?"

 

Silence.

Plus the handlers info is false.

[Zeke 5,504]

Called back.

" I would like the assemblymen to tell me what my justifiable need is"

Can I have your number.

" yes"

 

This should be interesting.

 

No bets diamond, I know I'm not getting a call

[Stonecoldchavez 92]

Newtonian-

 

I agree with you. The NRA bailed on him and saw the Trump ticket as the winning horse. Once Trump started rolling over people, Christie was finished. 

[mipafox 438]

Called back.

" I would like the assemblymen to tell me what my justifiable need is"

Can I have your number.

" yes"

 

This should be interesting.

 

No bets diamond, I know I'm not getting a call

I hope you got a name, and plan to call back the same person if no satisfaction. Adding a new question every time. Then ask for their chief of staff.

[Luso 6]

I haven't posted in probably a year or two. But I'm glad the tone is at least slightly different now - most of you are seeing what a joke Scott Bach and the ANJRPC/NRA is. They are entities that thrive on nothing changing in a NJ, because then they'd have nothing to fundraise off of you with

 

Bach loves the status quo. Bach will love even more when a D wins the next election and they can scream to the heavens of the battle ahead and fill the coffers with donations, while still having no substantive achievements.

 

I've been saying this for years and only one person has listened and heeded my advice; and achieved actionable consequences due directly to his activism.

 

You don't change anything donating to the NRA. You don't change a thing calling and emailing statist lemmings with an IQ of 79. You cry foul about the -ism's of injustice - sexism, racism, etc. that's the language these statists understand, and those are the labels they publicly can't afford to tolerate - not anti 2A or gun bigot - they can be called that all day long and the electorate doesn't care.

 

last year Bach spent a year promising us in secret that "we're working on something you just sit tight" nothing happened. Then a brave man recorded an Orange detective admitting to denying black people, old women, small women, and handicapped people their permits. 2 days later the governor put out his order on carry in December 2015 and directly cited that video as the impetus for it. That's real cause/effect, without the BS cryptic promises with no results. The governor did nothing and sat on that report for 9 months - when that content came out, they felt compelled to respond immediately and cite the activism because it was damning. That's how you cause change- not calling some

unpaid intern at an asinine rep's office.

 

Christie doesn't care about your rights. Neither does Bach, if he did he'd stop protecting relationships with the very people who are responsible for our woes. The "pro 2A" community characters hate each other, and secretly are all jostling for their relevance and power within the group. And most of all, the biggest ones NEVER want to rock the boat because they want to protect their cozy relationships with the very politicians that screw us everyday

 

You wait and see what the ANJRPC is up to. You're giving your money to people actively preserving the status quo for their benefit. It will all rise to the surface eventually -

 

The answer is video of these representatives put into uncomfortable conversations where they are exposed as sexists and racists - not anti 2A. That's the language they understand and cherish. That's the language they can't afford to be labeled as. And you'll get instant results, as one individual has shown us

[mipafox 438]

I haven't posted in probably a year or two. But I'm glad the tone is at least slightly different now - most of you are seeing what a joke Scott Bach and the ANJRPC/NRA is. They are entities that thrive on nothing changing in a NJ, because then they'd have nothing to fundraise off of you with

You actually believe that they are that powerful and that calculating that they want to maintain anti-gun laws and refuse to help change them?

 

I don't know what their deal is but that ancient, conspiratorial accusation is silly and tired.

 

Could they be coordinating with people we don't approve of, and compromising for their own purposes? I have no idea. But this, "They want bad gun laws to raise money!" stuff is tired. Do you actually think they are afraid they could clean up all of NJ's gun laws and suddenly be out of a job?

[T Bill 649]

 Do you actually think they are afraid they could clean up all of NJ's gun laws and suddenly be out of a job?

The Democratic machine has run this state since the sixties.  No way are they giving anything up.  They know less legal guns on the street does not change anything with crime.  So they sell you on more cops, so more taxes, so more control, so more public sector that vote democratic.   It's a game to them, and they own the chessboard.  Until 1M NJ gun owner get off their butt and put the fear of losing office in their heads nothing will happen only get worse.  So far they have chipped away at NJ gun ownership and managed to get it down to 11% of the population.  They will not stop until it gets to zero.  Then will crime still rising they will blame it on the border states.   So more control, taxes , et al.   Only thing is it is destined to self implode overtime as the have nots keep taking from the haves.  Socialism at its best.

[muzzelloader69 9]

actually, i think we should go a different route, lets start embarrassing the SH^&T out of them.  follow them around with video, start some scandals,  might be the way to get even    

[Newtonian 453]

Newtonian-

 

I agree with you. The NRA bailed on him and saw the Trump ticket as the winning horse. Once Trump started rolling over people, Christie was finished. 

No no a thousand times no. They bailed on him long before the primaries. Had some shindig for "prominent republicans who might have been running for president" or some such and they snubbed him, didn't invite him. Like he was some stray pup they'd just taken in who peed on the rug. They wanted to "teach him a lesson" as if he had any realistic chance of getting the nomination, as if he were not our only hope for some relief.

 

That's the main reason I have not renewed my NRA membership. I presume they've worked wonders over the years in states that are now shall-issue or constitutional carry -- I really don't know and wasn't following this stuff in the 1990s. All I know is they have basically given up on this state. 

[Luso 6]

actually, i think we should go a different route, lets start embarrassing the SH^&T out of them. follow them around with video, start some scandals, might be the way to get even

I have been hawking this effective guerrila philosophy for years , but only a select few are listening. People are still stuck on calling representatives. That is the same vain as the Orange detective project

[Luso 6]

You actually believe that they are that powerful and that calculating that they want to maintain anti-gun laws and refuse to help change them?

 

I don't know what their deal is but that ancient, conspiratorial accusation is silly and tired.

 

Could they be coordinating with people we don't approve of, and compromising for their own purposes? I have no idea. But this, "They want bad gun laws to raise money!" stuff is tired. Do you actually think they are afraid they could clean up all of NJ's gun laws and suddenly be out of a job?

I worked in that world and had first hand experience. If you hear the conversations behind closed doors, that is exactly what people like him discuss - preserving their position, long term viability, and not rocking the boat on their relationships with those in power. Give it time, you hear things come out eventually

 

It's anything but a conspiracy. Sometimes the hard-to-say things are the truth. Notice they never ardently attack Christie, and always promise they are "working on something" behind closed doors. Christie is NOT our friend. The only reason to be secretive and silent is so as not to upset relationships.

 

We should be destroying people with damning video evidence and wild accusations until they fear us. Not cozying up to fascists who think their lives are more valuable than ours

[Zeke 5,504]

The problem with extremeism has always been, " it's extreme"

[Smokin .50 1,907]

No no a thousand times no. They bailed on him long before the primaries. Had some shindig for "prominent republicans who might have been running for president" or some such and they snubbed him, didn't invite him. Like he was some stray pup they'd just taken in who peed on the rug. They wanted to "teach him a lesson" as if he had any realistic chance of getting the nomination, as if he were not our only hope for some relief.

 

That's the main reason I have not renewed my NRA membership. I presume they've worked wonders over the years in states that are now shall-issue or constitutional carry -- I really don't know and wasn't following this stuff in the 1990s. All I know is they have basically given up on this state. 

The NRA-ILA is hiring two full-time employees to work in NJ.  They're interviewing and training as I type this.  So it's past time to re-tune that piano so it can play a different song .  This news btw is all over social media.  Scott Bach was instrumental in making this progress.

 

Rosey

[Luso 6]

The problem with extremeism has always been, " it's extreme"

You are living in a state, where for the last 70 years, you have had exclusively - incremental gun control. Your rights have ONLY decreased for 3 generations.

 

Continuing to do what you're doing and expecting a different result is insanity

 

Attack the scumbags by shoving cameras in their face 24/7 - and call them out on being the sexist/racist pigs they are. That will get you media attention and results faster than Hopelessly reading form letter responses from your petitions to the state legislature. The years keep rolling by, and we are only losing. It's time to win

[siderman 1,138]

The NRA-ILA is hiring two full-time employees to work in NJ.  They're interviewing and training as I type this.  So it's past time to re-tune that piano so it can play a different song .  This news btw is all over social media.  Scott Bach was instrumental in making this progress.

 

Rosey

A quick search and yes indeed looks like the NRA is planting 2 Campaign Field Reps here albiet temp till after the election in Nov. Looking forward to seeing how much weight the NRA throws our way. Even the Cynical Me is happy to see this (for a change). oops, the cynic slipped out.....Also looking forward to seeing the democrats reaction to the Big Bad NRA Wolf knocking on NJ's door.

[DeerSlayer 241]

The problem is Essex, Hudson, Union, Passaic, Camden, and Mercer counties. Plus parts of Bergen, Morris( i'm talking to you Randolph) and Middlesex. That's almost 50% of the counties and 75% of the population. This state is screwed no matter how much we try to change the narrative.

It's not Randolph, it's Dover, Lk Hiawatha and Parsippany, without a doubt. Randolph is definitely conservative.

[Newtonian 453]

The NRA-ILA is hiring two full-time employees to work in NJ.  They're interviewing and training as I type this.  So it's past time to re-tune that piano so it can play a different song .  This news btw is all over social media.  Scott Bach was instrumental in making this progress.

 

Rosey

Sorry this is too little too late, and from what another poster wrote it's only temporary, until the November election. From this vantage point, for the last 25 years or so I've been following this issue, NRA has achieved nothing in this state. I'm not entirely blaming them but you don't get my dues for issuing press releases urging me to email Loretta Weinberg, or fighting for the poor oppressed gun owners in Kansas who may not carry on groundhog's days that fall on Thursdays at the Topeka Home for the Blind. Not when I can't stop to take a leak without wondering what happens if someone rear ends my car in the parking lot and the trunk pops open. And as mentioned numerous times their treatment of Christie which was more about them and their self-righteous rah rah bullshit than about us.

 

If you value NRA by all means send them a check, become a life member, and keep funding the expansion of gun rights everywhere but where it matters most to you. I'll re-up when they f-ing show me something. 

[PDM 91]

I live in Loretta Weinberg's District 37.  That district has 61,000 (45%) registered Democrats and 17,000 registered Republicans (13%), with the rest of registered voters being independent.  The DIstrict has NEVER sent anyone other than Democrats to Trenton.  I've talked to many of my friends, including fellow gun owners, and almost all are ambivalent or completely ignorant about local District 37 politics.  As we were talking, someone passed by and overheard our discussion of Loretta Weinberg and chimed in "I hate Loretta Weinberg".  I'm sure there are many that feel that way but have never voted in a local election.  With such a built in disadvantage and so much apathy, it is virtually impossible to unseat her and the same applies in many if not most Districts state wide.  That is our problem.  One of the smallest per capita gun owernship percentages in the country, a built in Democrat advantage, widespread apathy, and a motivated and extreme entrenched progressive political machine = no hope of change on the gun issue.

[Parker 213]

The Democrat lovefest in Bergen County is more than unheralded at the moment. The are clearly in charge, and firmly entrenched.

 

http://archive.northjersey.com/news/democrats-take-total-control-of-bergen-county-government-1.1689471

 

From the article:

"Republicans were at a disadvantage before the race began: Registered Democrats in Bergen County outnumber Republicans by 77,000 — As of last week there were 200,885 registered Democrats and 123,216 registered Republicans."

[Zeke 5,504]

The only way to "climb" a mountain is one step at a time. One foot in front of the other.

[PDM 91]

I am not an expert in political campaigns but the only hope I see is to  pour resources into any NJ Districts that can be identified that are vulnerable for the Democrats.  There must be a few such swing districts.  Chip away at the margins, and try to make examples of people where possible.  It just might get at least a few politicians in Trenton thinking.  That plus continued PR campaigns, building more ranges, educating people about the gun issue -- trying to build or rebuild at least some "gun culture" in this state where just maybe someday a critical mass of motivated and informed voters could make a difference.

[Zeke 5,504]

I am not an expert in political campaigns but the only hope I see is to pour resources into any NJ Districts that can be identified that are vulnerable for the Democrats. There must be a few such swing districts. Chip away at the margins, and try to make examples of people where possible. It just might get at least a few politicians in Trenton thinking. That plus continued PR campaigns, building more ranges, educating people about the gun issue -- trying to build or rebuild at least some "gun culture" in this state where just maybe someday a critical mass of motivated and informed voters could make a difference.

Cnjfo- educate and build gun culture

Nj2As- in your face fight. Expose

Anjrcp- broker deals. Coordinate with legislators.

 

And rock the vote.

 

 

The pace is of a snail. But slow and steady wins the race.

 

 

Let's not lose hope, when that's lost it's over