DanMarvel 9 Posted March 14, 2017 Would this be legal in NJ? https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018339425/polymer80-pf940cv1-80-pct-pistol-frame-kit-glock-19-23-32-polymer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T Bill 649 Posted March 14, 2017 Not if you plan on making it into a pistol. Manufacturing a firearm in NJ without a federal and state license is illegal. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted March 14, 2017 As a paper weight, yes. Finishing it, Nope Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted March 15, 2017 You can finish it just not in NJ I belive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted March 15, 2017 So, you can legally buy it, then take it to PA to drill it out, then bring it back to NJ as a stripped frame? If so I fucking love this state. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted March 15, 2017 My only concern is numbers. But , as my wife suggested. Mrsz00001 would be ok. But not in this state for stamping or the 20% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted March 15, 2017 I have heard mipa is having an 80 % party. It's byob, b extra BBQ, and Byo sleeping bag. He said" I wanna put my money where my mouf is here" Your mileage may vary. But he or I will put a post up soon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maintenanceguy 509 Posted March 15, 2017 So...I drive out to PA, set up my drill press, and finish this thing. Can I then legally bring it back home to NJ? Forget the complicated transport laws. I'm just asking about "taking possession" of a newly manufactured handgun that I manufactured. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted March 16, 2017 So...I drive out to PA, set up my drill press, and finish this thing. Can I then legally bring it back home to NJ? Forget the complicated transport laws. I'm just asking about "taking possession" of a newly manufactured handgun that I manufactured. Yup. And some people have finished them just with dremels. I believe it is legal to finish the frame in another state that allows personal firearms manufacture and then bring it back into NJ. It is legal to possess a firearm in NJ that you legally acquired in another state without registration in NJ (registration is voluntary) or using a NJ Purchase Permit (only necessary for acquiring a handgun within NJ). I don't see any practical difference, NJ law-wise, in finishing a polymer 80 frame out of state and returning to NJ with it vs. buying a bb pistol or black powder pistol in another state and returning to NJ with it. Optional, but probably a good idea - get a serial # engraved into the unfinished frame before completing it. I'm contemplating 'FSCKWEINBERG001' for my serial #. I plan to do just this, just waiting for a free weekend. Anyone who'd like to coordinate a time/place to do them in PA, I'm all ears. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slab Sides 20 Posted March 16, 2017 I assume if you are a nj resident and acquire/build the pistol out of state you would have to transfer it, use p2p. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted March 16, 2017 I assume if you are a nj resident and acquire/build the pistol out of state you would have to transfer it, use p2p. Why? You can go to Cabela's in PA, buy a bb pistol or a black powder pistol, both of which are considered handguns per NJ law, and return to NJ with them without needing a P2P. P2P is only for acquiring a handgun *IN* NJ. P2P's have no meaning for pistols legally acquired out of state. Do people who move into NJ with pistols they acquired while residents of other states have to transfer them into NJ with P2P's? Of course not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted March 16, 2017 My only concern is numbers. But , as my wife suggested. Mrsz00001 would be ok. But not in this state for stamping or the 20% I don't think stamping in NJ is verboten, as long as it's still an unfinished frame. Until it's a finished frame, it's just a hunk of plastic. Stamp it, engrave it, scratch it, mark it all you want while in NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted March 16, 2017 looks like I know what I'll be buying next time i'm at the in-laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted March 16, 2017 looks like I know what I'll be buying next time i'm at the in-laws. The polymer 80 kit includes drills and a milling bit. Just need the press (and they recommend a cross vise). However, some mavericks have finished them just with dremels and hand drills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slab Sides 20 Posted March 16, 2017 Why? You can go to Cabela's in PA, buy a bb pistol or a black powder pistol, both of which are considered handguns per NJ law, and return to NJ with them without needing a P2P. P2P is only for acquiring a handgun *IN* NJ. P2P's have no meaning for pistols legally acquired out of state. Do people who move into NJ with pistols they acquired while residents of other states have to transfer them into NJ with P2P's? Of course not. You're missing the key word "resident". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,134 Posted March 16, 2017 I'm curious to which travel exemption will get it back to a NJ home from PA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted March 16, 2017 I'm curious to which travel exemption will get it back to a NJ home from PA.who cares. Don't drive like a idiot and if you do and get pulled over don't consent to a search. If the police get a warrent and search your vehicle you've got bigger problems. Or if you really want to abide by dumb laws you could go to a range in PA. Finish it in the parking lot and drive home from a range to your home. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted March 16, 2017 You're missing the key word "resident".Campground Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,134 Posted March 16, 2017 who cares. Don't drive like a idiot and if you do and get pulled over don't consent to a search. If the police get a warrent and search your vehicle you've got bigger problems. Or if you really want to abide by dumb laws you could go to a range in PA. Finish it in the parking lot and drive home from a range to your home. so the travel exemption is coming home from a range. May work with a functioning handgun that you were able to build in PA and go to a range with (altho I doubt NJ would share that sentiment just because its NJ). Just a lower, maybe not. An argument could be made that the law doesnt say you HAVE to actually shoot the "firearm" at a range just be there, or maybe it does idk .....Just sounds like a dumb game to accomodate dumb laws and win dumb prizes. And the point of even having to worry about getting pulled over doesnt build confidence of the legitimacy of the whole operation. A little too sketchy for me but for anyone else have at it. And be sure to post pics here after its done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted March 16, 2017 cops won't know if you have dope in the car unless you get stopped and searched. cops won't know if you have tons of cash in the car unless you get stopped and searched. cops won't know if you have guns in the car unless you get stopped and searched. etc. here's a hint: don't do stupid shit that gets you stopped, and don't do stupid shit that gets you searched. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted March 16, 2017 These aren't range toys imho. These are shtf tools. Keep that in mind 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slab Sides 20 Posted March 16, 2017 I think they'll get you on who the "manufacturer" is, no legitimate business and address stamped on the receiver, etc. Until I read that is is "ok" to do a 80%, I'm going to assume it's not judging by what is already written. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted March 16, 2017 I'm planning on 4 this summer. Camp in pa 2 ar lowers 2 glock lowers. Function test at my undisclosed locations. Never talk about again 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tattooo 220 Posted March 16, 2017 So who or how does anyone know for sure where it was actually finished ? Unless you video yourself with a dremel in PA ? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted March 16, 2017 You're missing the key word "resident".No, you're too focused on the word 'resident'. If you legally acquired the firearm outside of NJ, and the firearm is otherwise legal to possess in NJ, then you don't have to do anything to bring it into NJ other than follow transport laws. Manufacturing it in PA, whether a resident of PA or not, is legally acquiring the firearm. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slab Sides 20 Posted March 16, 2017 No, you're too focused on the word 'resident'. If you legally acquired the firearm outside of NJ, and the firearm is otherwise legal to possess in NJ, then you don't have to do anything to bring it into NJ other than follow transport laws. Manufacturing it in PA, whether a resident of PA or not, is legally acquiring the firearm. Have at it. Bring it to the NJSP barracks and let me know how you make out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted March 16, 2017 Have at it. Bring it to the NJSP barracks and let me know how you make out.Why would you, or anyone do that?Would you do that with your most recent p2p purchase. That argument is null and void 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted March 16, 2017 GEEZ! JUST DO IT MAN! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slab Sides 20 Posted March 16, 2017 Would you do that with your most recent p2p purchase. Yes, because I didn't fab it in a campground in PA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexTheSane 236 Posted March 16, 2017 Yes, because I didn't fab it in a campground in PA. Why would you show up at a police barracks with a handgun? There is no mention of police barracks being an exempt location for handgun transport. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites