Krdshrk 3,877 Posted April 25, 2017 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/04/24/breaking-news-atf-reverses-stance-shouldering-stabilizing-braces/ "Saint Petersburg, Fla. (April, 25, 2017) – SB Tactical™, inventors and manufacturers of the Pistol Stabilizing Brace®, is excited to announce that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE) has issued SB Tactical a reversal letter containing a sensible clarification of the Bureau’s position on the lawful use of SB Tactical braces. The new clarification of opinion letter states, “an NFA firearm has not necessarily been made when the device is not reconfigured for use as a shoulder stock – even if the attached firearm happens to be fired from the shoulder. To the extent that the January 2015 Open Letter implied or has been construed to hold that incidental, sporadic, or situational “use” of an arm-brace (in its original approved configuration) equipped firearm from a firing position at or near the shoulder was sufficient to constitute “redesign,” such interpretations are incorrect and not consistent with ATF’s interpretation of the statute or the manner in which it has historically been enforced.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJGF 375 Posted April 25, 2017 I guess elections do have consequences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted April 25, 2017 Consequences? Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, this is a good thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted April 25, 2017 There are positive consequences. I'm not sure this helps in NJ given anything affected by this is illegal in NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M1152 713 Posted April 25, 2017 Consequences? Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, this is a good thing. in case you missed it it is a reference to one of Obama's famous lines 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted April 25, 2017 There are positive consequences. I'm not sure this helps in NJ given anything affected by this is illegal in NJ. Dunno how that covers this thing... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted April 25, 2017 Dunno how that covers this thing... I think you can dump the mag for a sig brace but how do you handle the front? Grab it around the mag well? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted April 25, 2017 I think you can dump the mag for a sig brace but how do you handle the front? Grab it around the mag well? tactical oven mitt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted April 25, 2017 I think you can dump the mag for a sig brace but how do you handle the front? Grab it around the mag well? It has a big magwell grip on it now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuRrEaLNJ 294 Posted April 25, 2017 not to be overly negative, but this is where my head went after reading that this morning. haven't they flip flopped or at least changed their stance on pistol braces a few times now? whats to stop them from doing another letter reversing this decision? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tattooo 220 Posted April 25, 2017 That is a fair point....also just about every pistol we would want a brace on is over 50oz....still sucks for us Sent from my SM-G925P using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted April 25, 2017 That is a fair point....also just about every pistol we would want a brace on is over 50oz....still sucks for us Sent from my SM-G925P using Tapatalk Manufactured weight... though if you modify it after the fact you can use it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted April 25, 2017 I never got the point of the pistol ARs. Even at this year's shot there was the HK MP9 pistol clone thingie.... did absolutely nothing for me. If you want an SBR... just build an SBR... (outside of socialist Jersey ofcourse). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted April 25, 2017 I never got the point of the pistol ARs. Even at this year's shot there was the HK MP9 pistol clone thingie.... did absolutely nothing for me. If you want an SBR... just build an SBR... (outside of socialist Jersey ofcourse). I got a "SBR" without having to get a tax stamp and can do in PRNJ. Also... it's blasty fun. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted April 25, 2017 I never got the point of the pistol ARs. Even at this year's shot there was the HK MP9 pistol clone thingie.... did absolutely nothing for me. If you want an SBR... just build an SBR... (outside of socialist Jersey ofcourse). I have a SP5K and it is fantastic to shoot. I also applied for a tax stamp to SBR it like my Sig Sauer MPX-P 9mm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robot_hell 72 Posted April 25, 2017 I never got the point of the pistol ARs. Even at this year's shot there was the HK MP9 pistol clone thingie.... did absolutely nothing for me. If you want an SBR... just build an SBR... (outside of socialist Jersey ofcourse). I think they make slightly more sense in states where concealed carry is for pistols only. Still not sure why you'd ever want to CC an AR, though. In my state loaded carry of long guns in a vehicle is a legal gray area. I bet people use AR pistols as a workaround for that as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foxhunter 4 Posted April 25, 2017 I got a "SBR" without having to get a tax stamp and can do in PRNJ. Also... it's blasty fun. Can you tell us how to do it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted April 25, 2017 Can you tell us how to do it Extar EXP-556 - the only one that's being produced right now that's NJ Legal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tattooo 220 Posted April 26, 2017 Manufactured weight... though if you modify it after the fact you can use it...Oh o.k....thanks Sent from my SM-G925P using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walt of Destiny 412 Posted April 26, 2017 Interesting development, because it would make this little item legal to shoulder occasionally. https://suarezinternational.com/personal-defense-weapon-kit-for-glocks/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted April 26, 2017 Semi related question. Is a broom handle mouser with the wood holster attached to the pistol grip to form a stock a SBR? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walt of Destiny 412 Posted April 26, 2017 Semi related question. Is a broom handle mouser with the wood holster attached to the pistol grip to form a stock a SBR?I would say no since the purpose of the Mauser stock is to shoulder the weapon. The "braces" are primarily designed to be used off the shoulder and against the forearm to stabilize the weapon. Ostensibly for handicapped persons but with benefits to the fully capable as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malice4you 627 Posted April 27, 2017 Semi related question. Is a broom handle mouser with the wood holster attached to the pistol grip to form a stock a SBR? https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/if-person-has-pistol-and-attachable-shoulder-stock-does-constitute-possession-nfa If a person has a pistol and an attachable shoulder stock, does this constitute possession of an NFA firearm? Yes, unless the barrel of the pistol is at least 16 inches in length (and the overall length of the firearm with stock attached is at least 26 inches). However, certain stocked handguns, such as original semiautomatic Mauser “Broomhandles” and Lugers, have been removed from the purview of the NFA as collectors’ items. [26 U.S.C. 5845, 27 CFR 479.11] I'd do some further research but I remember reading about that when looking up AOW laws Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted April 27, 2017 I think you can dump the mag for a sig brace but how do you handle the front? Grab it around the mag well? Forgot I have a newer pic... with the magwell on... Ignore the other stuff... or don't... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walt of Destiny 412 Posted April 27, 2017 Funny how a small picture could encompass the whole world for many of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walt of Destiny 412 Posted April 27, 2017 https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/if-person-has-pistol-and-attachable-shoulder-stock-does-constitute-possession-nfa If a person has a pistol and an attachable shoulder stock, does this constitute possession of an NFA firearm? Yes, unless the barrel of the pistol is at least 16 inches in length (and the overall length of the firearm with stock attached is at least 26 inches). However, certain stocked handguns, such as original semiautomatic Mauser “Broomhandles” and Lugers, have been removed from the purview of the NFA as collectors’ items. [26 U.S.C. 5845, 27 CFR 479.11] I'd do some further research but I remember reading about that when looking up AOW laws I stand corrected. Carry on... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted April 27, 2017 Forgot I have a newer pic... with the magwell on... Ignore the other stuff... or don't... Very cool picture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted April 27, 2017 Forgot I have a newer pic... with the magwell on... Ignore the other stuff... or don't... knob creek. Very justified Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted April 28, 2017 Wasn't there at one time another jersey legal AR pistol with a buffer tube? Carbon 15? That you could now put a sig brace on, correct? Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites