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Families of San Bernardino victims sue tech giants, FB, Google, and Twitter

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Tragic event no doubt but suing FB, Google and Twitter?  WTH is this country coming to.

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3264086-families-san-bernardino-victims-sue-tech-giants

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Family members of San Bernardino terror attack victims are suing Facebook (NASDAQ:FB), Google (GOOG, GOOGL) and Twitter (NYSE:TWTR), accusing the companies of providing platforms to aid terrorists.

"Without [the] defendants... the explosive growth of ISIS over the last few years would not have been possible," the plaintiffs declared.

A number of similar lawsuits have been filed in recent years, but none has advanced beyond the preliminary phases.

 

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Sadly i'm usually on the other side of this.  But when it comes to twitter and FB especially it does seem they allowed jihadists to use them as a promotional tool.

There were even test posts done with 2 exact posts except one targeted islam the other glorified jihadists  FB left the jihadist ones up while deleting the other.  seems to be a track record....     FB allows only what it wants people to see.

 

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2 hours ago, remixer said:

Sadly i'm usually on the other side of this.  But when it comes to twitter and FB especially it does seem they allowed jihadists to use them as a promotional tool.

There were even test posts done with 2 exact posts except one targeted islam the other glorified jihadists  FB left the jihadist ones up while deleting the other.  seems to be a track record....     FB allows only what it wants people to see.

 

Here is the thing though.... How is a platform with millions of users and billions of posts supposed to catch every one?  

Ie... just look at all the live streaming murders/suicides/rapes.... and barely any got reported by the people viewing.

I just think it is getting to the point of absurdity, way beyond suing Mcdonalds for the coffee being too hot.

Why don't they sue parents for having children?

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Fb seems to do a great job with Banning firearms....If they put in 1/2 the effort with jihadists and they did with guns they would not bother using FB as a promotional tool.

They managed to clear out all the gun pages in a week.   See what you can do when you really are anti something.  

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4 minutes ago, remixer said:

Fb seems to do a great job with Banning firearms.... if they put in 1/2 the effort with jihadists and they did with guns they would not bother using FB as a promotional tool.

 

They managed to clear out all the gun pages in a week.   See what you can do when you really are anti something.

Excellent point!

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4 minutes ago, Zeke said:

Excellent point!

Yup. if FB did not manage to purge the Guns that quickly then i would say its impossible to police facebook... But they proved they just don't want to.

With great power comes great responsablity. Allowing Jihadists to post and keeping those posts up becomes the responsibility of FB just as if it were the National Review allowing white supremacists a platform to advertise.

This is besides the fact FB purges accounts of those it disagrees with regularly. They have algorithms it does not even require a "report".

 

13 minutes ago, Maksim said:

I just think it is getting to the point of absurdity, way beyond suing Mcdonalds for the coffee being too hot.

Why don't they sue parents for having children?

Not a good comparison. You ordered hot coffee. it will be hot.  

 

 

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3 minutes ago, remixer said:

Yup. if FB did not manage to purge the Guns that quickly then i would say its impossible to police facebook... But they proved they just don't want to.

With great power comes great responsablity. Allowing Jihadists to post and keeping those posts up becomes the responsibility of FB just as if it were the National Review allowing white supremacists a platform to advertise.

This is besides the fact FB purges accounts of those it disagrees with regularly. They have algorithms it does not even require a "report".

 

One could try 1a argument but it really doesn't apply. Private entity, its rules.

But if its policy causes harm , then they are liable...

imho

 

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4 minutes ago, Zeke said:

One could try 1a argument but it really doesn't apply. Private entity, its rules.

But if its policy causes harm , then they are liable...

imho

 

Correct.. while i disagree with its stance on Firearms... its 100% within its power to control that. Its a private company and the 1st ad does not hold water in that case....    Same goes for the jihadists posts... They choose to not take them down in a timly manner... I would love to know where those "reports" go?   Which country outsourcing handles that.

 

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So here is the thing, with guns they can hide behind the fact that they do not want transactions to occur there.  IT is also extremely easy to filter out a site for words like "gun" or "firearms"

It is entirely different for filtering "God" or anything else, especially since I doubt a ton of FB employees speak Farsi, Arabic or any other language.

Can you begin to image the outrage if FB started deleting posts dealing with religion? 

Look, I don't agree with it and I get it.... but I understand the difficulty.

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How about...  Filter Jihad, Kill jews, Behead Infidels i can go on. ;)

 

Lets not act as if FB does not have the ability to control its content...  it was proven that the same posts down to the wording was kept up when it was pro islam and removed when it was anti islam.

 

They can do it... Problem is Zuck is a coward OR sympathizer.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Maksim said:

So here is the thing, with guns they can hide behind the fact that they do not want transactions to occur there.  IT is also extremely easy to filter out a site for words like "gun" or "firearms"

It is entirely different for filtering "God" or anything else, especially since I doubt a ton of FB employees speak Farsi, Arabic or any other language.

Can you begin to image the outrage if FB started deleting posts dealing with religion? 

Look, I don't agree with it and I get it.... but I understand the difficulty.

What would you do here if, let's say, Somebody posted childporn?

 

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Just now, Zeke said:

What would you do here if, let's say, Somebody posted childporn?

 

At the very least it would be deleted and person banned.

The issue becomes that it would still be up until someone reported it and someone had the opportunity to remove it.

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I am not a proponent of lawsuits, restrictions and control. But If the platform is open, let it be open for all.  If they start taking sides, they deserve what becomes of it.  

Some of these companies have capabilities thats downright scary. Social connections mapping is right out of non-existent CIA book. Not only can they derive your connections, they can also rate how "strong" these connections are.

Want proof ?  Google Navigation.  Navigation data (speed, direction etc) from thousands, if not millions of devices mapped in realtime and be able to tell traffic slows at that town traffic light. And thats not fiction either.  Imagine (or dont) what they are doing with that ever email, chat, text, snapchat, fb post you make.

 These companies know more about me than I know about myself, even if I am not using the services. And thats not fiction either, its a fact. 

 

On the flip side of this, I dont think its technology problem, rather social problem. It comes as after-the-fact that most of these guys were on some list. My uncles Tom, Dick and Harry are probably on some shit list. The agencies have become downright incompetent. They rather spend time showing up at a "gun owner" for buying a pistol 3 days earlier than 30 day rule, than actually going after someone involved in serious stuff. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Zeke said:

What would you do here if, let's say, Somebody posted childporn?

 

Gone in 3 Seconds...

5 minutes ago, jackandjill said:

I am not a proponent of lawsuits, restrictions and control. But If the platform is open, let it be open for all.  If they start taking sides, they deserve what becomes of it.  

Some of these companies have capabilities thats downright scary. Social connections mapping is right out of non-existent CIA book. Not only can they derive your connections, they can also rate how "strong" these connections are.

Want proof ?  Google Navigation.  Navigation data (speed, direction etc) from thousands, if not millions of devices mapped in realtime and be able to tell traffic slows at that town traffic light. And thats not fiction either.  Imagine (or dont) what they are doing with that ever email, chat, text, snapchat, fb post you make.

 These companies know more about me than I know about myself, even if I am not using the services. And thats not fiction either, its a fact. 

Exactly

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3 minutes ago, jackandjill said:

I am not a proponent of lawsuits, restrictions and control. But If the platform is open, let it be open for all.  If they start taking sides, they deserve what becomes of it.  

Some of these companies have capabilities thats downright scary. Social connections mapping is right out of non-existent CIA book. Not only can they derive your connections, they can also rate how "strong" these connections are.

Want proof ?  Google Navigation.  Navigation data (speed, direction etc) from thousands, if not millions of devices mapped in realtime and be able to tell traffic slows at that town traffic light. And thats not fiction either.  Imagine (or dont) what they are doing with that ever email, chat, text, snapchat, fb post you make.

 These companies know more about me than I know about myself, even if I am not using the services. And thats not fiction either, its a fact. 

Agree

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4 minutes ago, Maksim said:

At the very least it would be deleted and person banned.

The issue becomes that it would still be up until someone reported it and someone had the opportunity to remove it.

And your policy is to remove asap.

To your op, it does not appear this is FB policy.

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3 hours ago, Maksim said:

 

I just think it is getting to the point of absurdity, way beyond suing Mcdonalds for the coffee being too hot.

 

not to sidetrack but...

 

 

FB seems to do a pretty good job of banning me (think im on 3day ban number 4) liberals and terorists can do whatever they want, its the rest of us that get policed

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5 minutes ago, SuRrEaLNJ said:

not to sidetrack but...

 

 

FB seems to do a pretty good job of banning me (think im on 3day ban number 4) liberals and terorists can do whatever they want, its the rest of us that get policed

How do you get banned on Facebook? Or pc " a time out"?

i self ejected years ago.

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I have no idea how ISIS propaganda looks like (and know pretty much nothing about islam, jihadists etc) but I bet propaganda talks about peace and stuff. Solutions to achieve that peace through killings etc will come later. There is a reason why all those companies work hard on AI solutions. Eventually they find a way to make meaningful profiles out of its users and identify bad users more easily.

There is interesting fact about info war between Russia and Ukraine. Hundreds of trolls reported posts that are positive towards Ukraine. Those reports ended up understandably in Russia's facebook office where bans on users were often approved. On the other hand posts negative of Ukraine would not get banned. It took a year or so for facebook to listen and adjust. Now the same thing happens to posts that criticize Putin. The worst part is that while troll factories are certainly exists there are plenty of people trolling on their free will.

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another factor: US may not want those users banned. That would drive the community underground where the NSA can't snoop. Domestic Firearms groups are the FBI/ATF problem and they don't have the clout that the NSA does. 

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40 minutes ago, voyager9 said:

another factor: US may not want those users banned. That would drive the community underground where the NSA can't snoop. Domestic Firearms groups are the FBI/ATF problem and they don't have the clout that the NSA does. 

Interesting point.

 

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I'm with everyone here. Lawsuits are growing exponentially and some are absurd in the extreme. Remember when sharpton's daughter sued the city for tripping on a side walk. 

But...

This whole situation shows that political correctness zealotry can kill. Can they police these jihadists? Of course they can. Would that get him banned from his progressive friends' dinner parties? Would the tacit approval of Soros and his many proxies turn into disapproval? Would the EU make noise about islamaphobia, censorship and  racism? Would his brand be hurt? Yes to all of those.

But if he aids and abetts the murder of innocents by turning a self-righteous blind eye to the propaganda of these animals, no one raises an eyebrow.

This is the true evil here. The relentless and absolute ahearence to ideology that is demonstrated by jihadis, progressives, the DNC, SEIU, BLM, Occupy, Pink Pussies etc... they accept anything as long as the big ideas are supported. Feminists for Clinton? Gays for Islam? Pro-choicers against death penalty? Anyone see a pattern here? The proof is in the test posts and which one was deleted—and which one wasn't.  They didn't miss that ONE out of millions, maybe billions? 

Apologists have no shame, character or integrity.  We, their opponents, do  that's why we often lose.

 

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20 hours ago, Zeke said:

What would you do here if, let's say, Somebody posted childporn?

 

I'm guessing that level of issue would be reported to law enforcement. 

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This was also done by some of the Orlando victims families.  These internet social media sites have fairly broad immunity regarding policing their content.  Maybe that will change. 

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Almost all of these types of suits never go to completion.  Of the few the only one that comes to mind is the McDonald's coffee lady.  They're not about winning.  They're about the settlement.  They're not about right or wrong. They're about the cash. These people are bound to get something.  The costs of litigation are out weighted by a settlement and the ambulance chasers know it. Let something on a level of that happen to you and the lawyers line up at your door step.  You don't even have to look for them.  You even can see the enticement of cash settlements in their advertising.  Eliminate settlements and most of these frivolous suits would go away with the bottom feeders that instigate them.      

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