kotkot 26 Posted May 14, 2017 HI All, I am pondering many options for a scope to put on top of my new Savage BA stealth in 308 somewhat under $2k preferred.. with 20x zoom range. FFP. needs to be quality optics with reliable adjusters and should be able to withstand bouncing and such... right now here is what's on the list.. share your thoughts pls. Viper Razor HD gen 1 Steiner T5Xi 5-25x56mm Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP Burris XTR Gen 2 5x25 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 823 Posted May 14, 2017 I have the Burris XTR II 5-25x-50 FFP G2B Mildot on my Remington 700 5R Milspec in 308. I have no complaints. The glass is crystal clear. This thing will take you to1,000+yds easily. 34mm tube and 34mm rings! Love the look. Compliments my Magpul Stock perfectly. I paid just under $1,000 shipped. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kotkot 26 Posted May 14, 2017 Thank you Sir! I hear eye box is small on them but good scope otherwise. What's your take on it? Where did you buy it from? Sounds like good price! do you shoot at cherry ridge? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 823 Posted May 14, 2017 2 hours ago, kotkot said: Thank you Sir! I hear eye box is small on them but good scope otherwise. What's your take on it? Where did you buy it from? Sounds like good price! do you shoot at cherry ridge? Eye box seems adequate to me. The thought of it being small never even crossed my mind. Eye relief is excellent. I bought it off EBAY. Searched for model I wanted and found lowest price. I paid $965 shipped. That does not include the rings. It does however come with lens cap that are ok, but I swapped them out for Butler Creek caps. I do shoot at Cherry Ridge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golf battery 1,222 Posted May 14, 2017 Nightforce. Love my atacr. You can get them close to 2k. If not theres the other models Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted May 14, 2017 On the lower end of the budget, always happy with my Nikon Monarch glass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Screwball 483 Posted May 14, 2017 For my 18" AR, I went with a 1.5-6x Weaver. I consider that mid-range... but went with the Weaver because it was FDE. My 18" was an FDE build. For my .308, I went with a 4.5-14x Leupold Mk4. It is a Remington Model 7, and came with an older 2-7x Leupold. Was so impressed with the clarity of the glass, I was sticking with Leupold. This rifle will probably be a long range rifle... whenever I get out of NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bry@n 195 Posted May 15, 2017 My vote would be the Steiner. I have one and I like it very much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot 358 Posted May 15, 2017 I have a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP and the eye box is a bit picky. I would probably go with a Nightforce or Razr if I had to do it all over again and go lower on magnification. When shooting precision out to 1,050 yards, I usually only go up to 16-17x max for wider field of view to call the shot and at max magnification the reticle bounces all over the place. I've heard mixed reviews about Steiner. Some people love them and some don't care for them. I've generally only heard good things about Nightforce and S&B other than their price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kotkot 26 Posted May 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Maksim said: On the lower end of the budget, always happy with my Nikon Monarch glass. that's what I have now... I am thinking about upgrade.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kotkot 26 Posted May 15, 2017 thanks! Nightforce is out NSX series at least(I had one and did not like illumination on it).. I like Vortex and Burris warranty... but based on this review.. Burris is not a good scope http://opticsthoughts.com/?p=1424 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GramGun79 226 Posted May 15, 2017 I have a couple of these and they have served me well out to 1000 yards (never been able to get to range to shoot further) http://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex-viper-pst-4-16x50-ffp-rifle-scope.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 823 Posted May 15, 2017 9 hours ago, kotkot said: thanks! Nightforce is out NSX series at least(I had one and did not like illumination on it).. I like Vortex and Burris warranty... but based on this review.. Burris is not a good scope http://opticsthoughts.com/?p=1424 I read that review before I bought the Burris. I also noted that the review was almost 2yrs old and used the 8 mil turret scope, not the updated 10 mil turret scope. The biggest issue I had researching the scope was the lack of info and reviews on it since it is relatively new. I decided to take a chance on it and I am not disappointed in anyway. It is starting to get attention now and more reviews/info are becoming available, which all seem to be positive. For example: http://www.precisionriflemedia.com/articles/2016/5/31/burris-xtr-ii-5-25-rifle-scope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kotkot 26 Posted May 15, 2017 it looks as of now.. it's between Burris XTR II and Vortex Viper PST FFP or Vortex Viper PST FFP Gen2.. now gotta search for good deal..Vortex Viper PST FFP Gen2. seems to be back ordered and Burris just announces $100 rebate on XTR.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted May 15, 2017 http://www.eurooptic.com/leupold-mark-6-3-18x44-m5b2-rifle-scope-34mm-tube-front-focal-mil-dot-115946.aspx?gclid=COH1uvzG8tMCFZqEswod9_0JyA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kotkot 26 Posted May 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Rob0115 said: http://www.eurooptic.com/leupold-mark-6-3-18x44-m5b2-rifle-scope-34mm-tube-front-focal-mil-dot-115946.aspx?gclid=COH1uvzG8tMCFZqEswod9_0JyA way more than I am willing to pay! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted May 15, 2017 Just now, kotkot said: way more than I am willing to pay! They can be found for less than 2k. Check out sniper hide and ARFCOM. I bought mine virtually new for 1300 bucks. Blake on here had one for sale for about 1600. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot 358 Posted May 15, 2017 Also, take a look at IOR Valdada scopes if you can. Under the radar but considered by many in the know to be the best bang for the buck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kotkot 26 Posted May 15, 2017 thats' an idea.. I will also wait for memorial day sale.. i am sure optics planet will put some good stuff on sale! going used route is an option certainly.. I use http://www.riverofguns.com/cb/index.pl?s=nightforce to track deals. 1 minute ago, WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot said: Also, take a look at IOR Valdada scopes if you can. Under the radar but considered by many in the know to be the best bang for the buck. I actually have one now.. 4-14x 50. it's going back to IOR for repairs this week. parallax does not stay in focus... have to re-adjust after every shot. depending on how good their repair service is, I might consider it. optics is not bad on IOR. I like it. and it's old model.. at lease 7 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kotkot 26 Posted May 26, 2017 ordered Burris XTR Gen 2 5 - 25 SCR MOA reticle... should be here any day.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 823 Posted June 3, 2017 On 5/25/2017 at 10:05 PM, kotkot said: ordered Burris XTR Gen 2 5 - 25 SCR MOA reticle... should be here any day.. So, how do you like it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kotkot 26 Posted June 4, 2017 have not taken it to range yet...optics seems clear but I doubt i can use full 25x magnification as eye box does seem small...also, I installed it with American Defence 34mm mount and it seems kind of too high so I might have to go to plain rings. will try to take it to range this week though.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 823 Posted June 4, 2017 3 hours ago, kotkot said: have not taken it to range yet...optics seems clear but I doubt i can use full 25x magnification as eye box does seem small...also, I installed it with American Defence 34mm mount and it seems kind of too high so I might have to go to plain rings. will try to take it to range this week though.. I don't find the eye box being a problem at 25x, I do however find the FFP reticle being a problem at 25x. The reticle becomes so large at 25x that the cross hair can cover an object the size of a car at a half mile. I find myself using the 12-15x magnification range the most. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kotkot 26 Posted June 9, 2017 so I had first range session with the scope. 100 yards only. I am medium level satisfied with the scope so far and I did find that eye box bit small and difficult to find at 25x. 20x is not a problem. I do agree that at 25x, reticle becomes rather thick. I think I would prefer just a dot in the middle and not a cross. can't comment yet of click adjustment and repeat ability but I did achieve my personal best group so far. at least at 100 yards, (I am just not a good rifle shooter, I was sure better result could be achieved) I think I am happy with price/performance overall.. shooting from bench with bipod and rear sand bag. I just can't get rifle perfectly stabilized and get comfortable cheek weld but it's a learning process for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 823 Posted June 9, 2017 Looks pretty good to me. What magnification were you using to sight in at 100yds? I used 12x. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kotkot 26 Posted June 9, 2017 i shot with various magnification. 15 to 25x. I use wheeler engineering green lazer boresighter. can see it at 50 yards fine in day light Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites