tiresmoke 8 Posted May 23, 2017 IMHO, until they ask you to step out of the car... these are the rules I follow 1. Be polite 2. Follow Directions 3. Provide identification 4. Offer no other information, dont deny anything, dont admit anything, dont confess anything. 5. Do not consent to searches. 6. Hope you just get a ticket and can move on with your life, $200 poorer. After they ask you to get out of your car, and before they start tearing it apart with a dog... you might want to let them know what they will find. HAHAH Chances are it will never come to that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted May 23, 2017 5 hours ago, JohnnyB said: H.E. Keeping in mind that not all cops are as 2A minded as you are, How would YOU suggest we handle a car stop if asked do you have any guns in the vehicle? I often travel to PA or DE with my handgun properly stored in my trunk. I am not going to a range, but to a state where I am permitted to carry. If asked I probably would answer yes and say I am on my way to a range in Philly. How should I handle this? Use your best judgement. Don't answer questions not asked. Be polite. Keep in mind the cop is just a guy or girl doing a job - It isn't personal. Whatever you do - Don't lie. The fastest way to Reasonable Suspicion is to get caught in a lie. From RS it is usually a short trip to PC. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcc 6 Posted May 23, 2017 21 hours ago, fishnut said: Exercising your right to remain silent does not give a police officer probable cause to search your car Telling a police officer that you have a gun in your car also would not give them probable cause to search your car unless you were a known prohibited person. If it is legal for you to own why would it give police officers probable cause to search your vehicle if you have it in your vehicle and tell the truth when asked. So much paranoia in this thread! NJ gun owners have a reason to be paranoid, the penalty in this state for simple unlawful possession of a hand gun is quite severe. Mandatory 5 years in prison with possibility of parole in 3 and the Graves Act does not allow the Judge any discretion in sentencing. The only defense may be a claim of an illegal search. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,127 Posted May 23, 2017 Coincidentally, I just got pulled over again this morning. I had just left my house, running late for work, and as I went a little too quickly up the hill around the corner from my house, I spotted the unmarked car of our local PD. When I saw him pull out, I immediately pulled over and got my documents ready. He was polite and professional, and when I explained my situation, he treated me kindly. I expressed my sincere gratitude. The unloaded shotgun in the back of my vehicle was never a subject of conversation. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted May 23, 2017 2 hours ago, jcc said: NJ gun owners have a reason to be paranoid, the penalty in this state for simple unlawful possession of a hand gun is quite severe. Mandatory 5 years in prison with possibility of parole in 3 and the Graves Act does not allow the Judge any discretion in sentencing. The only defense may be a claim of an illegal search. Not really, the laws is written in plain English. While I may not agree with them all it's really easy to follow them. Follow the law and there is no need to be paranoid. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Old Glock guy said: I had just left my house, running late for work, and as I went a little too quickly up the hill around the corner from my house, I spotted the unmarked car of our local PD. I was under the assumption unmarked police vehicles cannot pull over drivers. @High Exposure Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The brew guy 22 Posted June 3, 2017 On 5/23/2017 at 2:17 PM, fishnut said: Not really, the laws is written in plain English. While I may not agree with them all it's really easy to follow them. Follow the law and there is no need to be paranoid. Unless you have to pee on the way home from the range. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,679 Posted June 3, 2017 When the police run your DL info does it inform the officer that you have a FID Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walt of Destiny 412 Posted June 3, 2017 You'd be surprised at what the local cops know about you, your family, your friends, anyone you ever lent $5 to. in my experience, if you're not a shitbag you have nothing to worry about. Relax. We so self-abuse that we wring our hands over the littlest things. Try a little thought perspective : put yourself in the cop's shoes, all you want to do is your job, which is tough enough, and get home to your family and that beer. Then some guys from Pa in a suburban that is wrapped in "Molón Labe", cold dead fingers and such shit trying to cross the tunnel into NYC. You're gonna ask the question and your day just got real complicated. on the other hand, you're having a nice free donut yesterday, sitting by the side of the road and some guys in "their wife's" minivan roll through a stop sign in Bridgewater. You put the Boston creme down and do what you have to do. Soccer sticker, clean license... you know why I pulled you over? Don't say: "Because I'm on the way to the range and I h ave 14 guns and 3k rounds of ammo and you're anti 2nd amendment." Say: "because I'm an idiot and rolled through a stop sign?" the cop says be careful next time, or you're getting a ticket. Goes back to the cruiser, runs your license, you're not a shit bag, gives you back your stuff, "stay safe out there" he's 20 minutes closer to that beer. Although the legislators we elected have written laws to use against us law abiding criminals, cops didn't. Use your best judgement dont be an asshole Keep your mouth shut (and hope the chick you have duct taped in the trunk doesn't kick the inside of the car.) the above "rolling through a stop sign" story is true. Except for the duct tape. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kman 56 Posted June 3, 2017 I see what you did there. Actually, as far as I know, I don't think it's illegal to lie to the police. Yes, definitely against the law to lie to the FBI. I'm not a lawyer, so don't bet too much on this. It is a misdemeanor level offense to lie to the police in NJ. It is in the NJ Code.Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnGalt 9 Posted June 3, 2017 You'd be surprised at what the local cops know about you, your family, your friends, anyone you ever lent $5 to. in my experience, if you're not a shitbag you have nothing to worry about. Relax. We so self-abuse that we wring our hands over the littlest things. Try a little thought perspective : put yourself in the cop's shoes, all you want to do is your job, which is tough enough, and get home to your family and that beer. Then some guys from Pa in a suburban that is wrapped in "Molón Labe", cold dead fingers and such shit trying to cross the tunnel into NYC. You're gonna ask the question and your day just got real complicated. on the other hand, you're having a nice free donut yesterday, sitting by the side of the road and some guys in "their wife's" minivan roll through a stop sign in Bridgewater. You put the Boston creme down and do what you have to do. Soccer sticker, clean license... you know why I pulled you over? Don't say: "Because I'm on the way to the range and I h ave 14 guns and 3k rounds of ammo and you're anti 2nd amendment." Say: "because I'm an idiot and rolled through a stop sign?" the cop says be careful next time, or you're getting a ticket. Goes back to the cruiser, runs your license, you're not a shit bag, gives you back your stuff, "stay safe out there" he's 20 minutes closer to that beer. Although the legislators we elected have written laws to use against us law abiding criminals, cops didn't. Use your best judgement dont be an asshole Keep your mouth shut (and hope the chick you have duct taped in the trunk doesn't kick the inside of the car.) the above "rolling through a stop sign" story is true. Except for the duct tape. Used rope eh?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted June 3, 2017 On 5/23/2017 at 4:04 PM, Ray Ray said: I was under the assumption unmarked police vehicles cannot pull over drivers. @High Exposure That is a false assumption. 2 hours ago, silverado427 said: When the police run your DL info does it inform the officer that you have a FID Nope. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted June 3, 2017 7 hours ago, The brew guy said: Unless you have to pee on the way home from the range. Ummm bodily functions definitely falls under reasonable deviations. I usually do have to pee on the way home from EFGA.........pops has a decent beer selection Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael2013 56 Posted June 3, 2017 4 hours ago, High Exposure said: That is a false assumption. OK, how do I know if it is a police vehicle or some mafia, since they're unmarked? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted June 3, 2017 The lights and sirens. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael2013 56 Posted June 3, 2017 13 minutes ago, High Exposure said: The lights and sirens. Can't a mafia install these toys? You can argue that they can also re-paint a car as a police, but it would be too easy to spot for the real LEO. I can understand that FBI/CIA/NSA don't need to introduce themselves to everyone. But local and state police must be clear and in the open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted June 3, 2017 The mafia pulls over people with light and sirens? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael2013 56 Posted June 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, 67gtonut said: The mafia pulls over people with light and sirens? Hmm... Probably not. I'm not a person of any mafia interest anyway. Neither of LEO, I assume. Still, don't like the unmarked vehicles. For me, it's in the same moral category as "police can lie to you". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted June 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Michael2013 said: But local and state police must be clear and in the open. No, they don't have to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted June 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Michael2013 said: Can't a mafia install these toys? You can argue that they can also re-paint a car as a police, but it would be too easy to spot for the real LEO. I can understand that FBI/CIA/NSA don't need to introduce themselves to everyone. But local and state police must be clear and in the open. I believe impersonating a police officer is a federal crime. when that damn whale swam up the DE river. Every asshole and there mother was jamming up the overlook on 295. Some volunteer firefighter got the brain trust idea to throw on his rollers. Saw it 3 times( dif days) he got busted on the 4th Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted June 4, 2017 7 hours ago, High Exposure said: That is a false assumption. Okay, thanks. I do know that some states must have marked police cars for traffic tickets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted June 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Ray Ray said: Okay, thanks. I do know that some states must have marked police cars for traffic tickets. What States? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted June 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, Zeke said: What States? I would love to find out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted June 4, 2017 22 minutes ago, Ray Ray said: I would love to find out. You said you KNEW some states MUST have marked police cars for traffic tickets and when asked you can't name one..... You completely made that statement up. Cmon Ray! Why do you do this to yourself? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tattooo 220 Posted June 4, 2017 Make that a double face palm....shaken not stirredSent from my SM-G925P using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walt of Destiny 412 Posted June 4, 2017 Wanna know what it's like to be a cop... Try that on for size at your job. 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted June 4, 2017 I love that vid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted June 4, 2017 7 hours ago, Michael2013 said: Can't a mafia install these toys? You can argue that they can also re-paint a car as a police, but it would be too easy to spot for the real LEO. I can understand that FBI/CIA/NSA don't need to introduce themselves to everyone. But local and state police must be clear and in the open. Okay, first of all you will never be pulled over by the CIA or NSA. State and local guys can use unmarked cars. They don't have to be "clear and open". Some PDs have policies where they don't use unmarked cars for traffic enforcement. That doesn't mean one of their unmarked cars can't stop you for a traffic violation. FBI, USSS, USMS, HSI, USPIS, IRS, National Marine Fisheries Service, and all Federal investigative agencies all use unmarked cars equipped with lights and sirens. They don't do traffic enforcement but you have to stop for them. Some Federal agencies have unique search authority. CBP, HSI, USBP, some DEA agents, and any state or local with cross designation as a Customs Officer can search your vehicle or even you without PC if certain conditions are met. Many of these conditions can be met anywhere, even NJ. When it comes to boats the same applies to commissioned, warrant, and petty officers. There have been incidents in more rural states where some cretin would put on a red light, make people stop because they thought he was a cop, and rob them. This is not as widespread as some think but it has happened. War story. When I worked in AZ in the 70s one night I wanted to stop a car going north from the border Not for a MV violation. I'm in plainclothes and an unmarked pickup. Put on my red light, they keep going. Tap my siren, they keep going. When I was on a local pd I had drunks that did this for awhile. This was in the desert. Literally nothing for over 20 miles in each direction. This guy kept driving a 55 mph. Didn't try to get away. I called ahead to the Sheriff's Office for an assist, they sent a marked car south, and after following this guy for 10 miles with my red light on he finally stopped for the marked SO car. Turned out they didnt do anything. Old guy and his wife who were afraid they were going to be robbed. The deputy and I both told them they did the right thing under those circumstances. Incidents of this type were not unusual when I worked in AZ. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schrödinger's cat 87 Posted June 4, 2017 I have heard that if it's a quiet area and you are suspicious you can signal and pull over to the shoulder and slowly drive until you get to a busy road. Also can't you just call 911 and confirm that it is one of their officers pulling you over ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites