gunforhire 823 Posted June 25, 2017 http://gunforhire.com/blog/2017/06/25/gun-hire-radio-broadcast-episode-317/ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted June 25, 2017 Just FYI, the pro-2A folks suffered a disappointment here in FL... As you may recall, we had the "Docs vs. Glocks" law, which prohibited docs from asking if patients (and, especially, the parents of pediatric patients), if they were firearms owners. One of the appellate courts overturned the law, and AG Pam Bondi simply let the appeal period expire without challenging it. Therefore, docs in FL can continue to ask... a victory for the anti pediatrician docs who were the force behind striking down the law. Take care, as there are a lot of ways docs can trick you into responding to the question. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walt of Destiny 412 Posted June 26, 2017 Just say no. I'm amazed. You don't have to be a Jedi to get past this question. Why do we need a law prohibiting anyone from asking an intrusive question? Are we that f'ing stockholmed? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walt of Destiny 412 Posted June 26, 2017 I would like to apologize to anyone that was triggered at the very suggestion of prevaricating to a medical doctor when hir asks about your personal choice on gun ownership. I wonder if they asked if you were homosexual, it would be ok? But I digress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InFamous 311 Posted June 26, 2017 Any firearm question goes unanswered. It's NONEYA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted June 26, 2017 6 hours ago, Walt of Destiny said: I would like to apologize to anyone that was triggered at the very suggestion of prevaricating to a medical doctor when hir asks about your personal choice on gun ownership. I wonder if they asked if you were homosexual, it would be ok? But I digress. I had filed out something a few years ago, I can't remember for what, but it asked me if I was a firearms owner. I replied NA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted June 26, 2017 Saying "no" is probably the better option. Failing to answer or saying "none of your business" might cause them to answer in the "affirmative" on your behalf. At which point, it might go on your MIB record and affect your ability to get insurance, etc. Or it might cause them to reject you as a patient.... which probably isn't a bad thing, but with Obamacare limiting one's choices in doctors, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank Rizzo 59 Posted June 26, 2017 Agreed, just say no. WTF is with these questions? Twice in past 2 years my primary care office asked me how happy I was. I made sure to tell them I'm plenty happy which I am. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WP22 1,558 Posted June 26, 2017 8 hours ago, Walt of Destiny said: I would like to apologize to anyone that was triggered at the very suggestion of prevaricating to a medical doctor when hir asks about your personal choice on gun ownership. I wonder if they asked if you were homosexual, it would be ok? But I digress. But they do. Not exactly using those words but asking if you are sexually active and if with men or women. The kicker was a questionnaire asking which pronoun I would like to be addressed by. If I've ever asked about guns, a long, uncomfortable stare will be my answer. If the doctor insist I'll polite invite them to GFT. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted June 26, 2017 10 hours ago, Walt of Destiny said: Just say no. I'm amazed. You don't have to be a Jedi to get past this question. Why do we need a law prohibiting anyone from asking an intrusive question? Are we that f'ing stockholmed? I am strongly in favor of getting rid of laws and not make more. However, laws preventing asking/recording of such question are required if there are laws giving weight to the response (or lack of) and has consequences. For example, is it fair to discriminate and bump insurance premiums for all those who answered No or NA ? Generally I wouldn't care. But what if I cannot switch insurance companies easily or because certain healthcare law (shall go unnamed here) dictates how market operates. What if that same healthcare law mandates the information recorded in central place and providing incorrect information would be considered as lying to federal govt ? In a truely free market where I can make choices freely, I dont care what a doc asks. I would simply walk out and find another doc. But we have been herded too far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted June 26, 2017 1 hour ago, jackandjill said: I am strongly in favor of getting rid of laws and not make more. However, laws preventing asking/recording of such question are required if there are laws giving weight to the response (or lack of) and has consequences. For example, is it fair to discriminate and bump insurance premiums for all those who answered No or NA ? Precisely. The concern is not what the doctor asks. The concern is what the doctor does with the answer (or lack of it). Do they interpret a non-answer or a "none of your business" answer as a "Yes?" Do they update any medical / insurance or "mental health" records accordingly? Do they refuse you as a patient? The doctor asking the question should not be illegal (i.e. freedom of speech). But what the doctor does with the response is what should be regulated. And it should be illegal for a doctor to interpret a non answer or NOYB answer as a Yes, and to report said findings to anyone else (insurance co, MIB, county adjuster, etc.). And, a denial of service for that reason should be cause for a discrimination lawsuit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handyman 5,682 Posted June 26, 2017 The kicker was a questionnaire asking which pronoun I would like to be addressed by. I would have said "Sir." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handyman 5,682 Posted June 26, 2017 From another forum:Doctor: "Do you have guns in your home?"Patient: "Does your spouse enjoy anal sex?"Doctor: "I can't see how that is any of your business!"Patient: "Exactly!"Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bighungry618 448 Posted June 26, 2017 43 minutes ago, Handyman said: From another forum: Doctor: "Do you have guns in your home?" Patient: "Does your spouse enjoy anal sex?" Doctor: "I can't see how that is any of your business!" Patient: "Exactly!" Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Chuckled at that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatty 241 Posted June 26, 2017 I've never had a doctor (or anyone for that matter) ask if I had guns, so I find it kinda strange that this is even a thing out there. My kids pediatrician is cool as hell. She seems like the type that would tell me go buy guns to keep my family safe and not be a pussy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted June 26, 2017 27 minutes ago, fatty said: I've never had a doctor (or anyone for that matter) ask if I had guns, so I find it kinda strange that this is even a thing out there. My kids pediatrician is cool as hell. She seems like the type that would tell me go buy guns to keep my family safe and not be a pussy In FL, it was an initiative by the pediatrician lobby... rabidly anti-gun. I'm sure a lot of the anti groups have put pressure on pediatricians and primary care docs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatty 241 Posted June 26, 2017 that's a damn shame. nothing better to do with their time than to try to tell other people how to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted June 26, 2017 Went to a dermatologist recently for a general check up and she asked if I spend a lot of time in the sun. I explained that I do as I do a lot of competitive pistol shooting. She was very interested as both she and her husband are gun owners, but she explained that they had left all their guns in Ohio at his mother's house when they moved to NJ as the laws here are so crazy. She was asking me if there were any outdoor ranges where they could go shooting. Some doctors are cool with guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted June 26, 2017 I've never had a doctor (or anyone for that matter) ask if I had guns, so I find it kinda strange that this is even a thing out there. My kids pediatrician is cool as hell. She seems like the type that would tell me go buy guns to keep my family safe and not be a pussyMost of my docs are gun owners. My one said screw the govt. He won't squeal. He'd rather pay the fine.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted June 26, 2017 44 minutes ago, bhunted said: Most of my docs are gun owners. My one said screw the govt. He won't squeal. He'd rather pay the fine. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Interesting. So is this a state law, a federal law or something required / mandated by insurance companies or optional stuff ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted June 26, 2017 1 hour ago, bhunted said: Most of my docs are gun owners. My one said screw the govt. He won't squeal. He'd rather pay the fine. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yup. In fact, they have a website: DRGO - Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites