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Gun Buyback (07/28-29)

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29 minutes ago, maintenanceguy said:

Somebody please call the number and ask:

1) Will they be paying for bb guns or pellet guns?

2) Is there some sort of legal protection for those who will be transporting illegally, outside of the exemptions, to get their guns to the buyback?

3) If someone shows up at the buyback with a gun and decides not to accept the offer made, will they be able to take their firearm away with them - no questions asked.

My employer depends heavily on state funding and I was told a while ago to stop harassing Trenton. 

Funny how they chose churches as the drop-off locations. Quasimodo would approve. 

 

 

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Why are you people supporting this? The money given out and what the event costs the jurisdiction is coming from your taxes. Is a few hundred bucks worth the anti-gun publicity that will come from this?

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this thread makes my head hurt....


Seriously? What's the issue? It bothers you that much, but 1) you managed to read the thread and 2) respond with absolutely nothing that was beneficial to the thread.

What's your concern?
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1 i dont by that its funded from sezures, those seasures were funded by out taxes, at a rate that no doubt far exedes the return

2 yall talking about turning in bb guns and other ways to scam the suystem, yet everyone here cries when people scam all the other democrat systems

3 if your that fn broke that you need tyhe few bills you can get then you have far bigger problems then scaming a gun buy back

4 every single thing that turns up at this thing, even it its a frickin poptart bit in the shape of a gun can and will be used against us, repeditively, and theyll pad the numbers and lie about the stats anyway, why fuel the fire 

5 cant get you people to do shit for your rights here, but youll make calls for this? seriously?

need i go on?

or would you have rather me just outright called anyone that suports or is entertaining this an idiot in the first post, sorry for curbing my tongue

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I never once suggested or advocated scamming the system. In my particular case, not that I owe you or anyone else an explanation, I purchased a couple pellet guns many years ago, prior to ever knowing a handgun permit was required to legally own them in NJ. I have no use for them and have no desire to get permits for them.

When I learned of the buyback, I thought it could solve my issue in getting rid of these and putting some coin in my pocket while doing so.

I can't speak for others and I too despise anyone that would purposely attempt to scam the system.


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34 minutes ago, SuRrEaLNJ said:

1 i dont by that its funded from sezures, those seasures were funded by out taxes, at a rate that no doubt far exedes the return

2 yall talking about turning in bb guns and other ways to scam the suystem, yet everyone here cries when people scam all the other democrat systems

3 if your that fn broke that you need tyhe few bills you can get then you have far bigger problems then scaming a gun buy back

4 every single thing that turns up at this thing, even it its a frickin poptart bit in the shape of a gun can and will be used against us, repeditively, and theyll pad the numbers and lie about the stats anyway, why fuel the fire 

5 cant get you people to do shit for your rights here, but youll make calls for this? seriously?

need i go on?

or would you have rather me just outright called anyone that suports or is entertaining this an idiot in the first post, sorry for curbing my tongue

slow down cupcake

I don't need the money, I'd get rid of the bb guns for another reason

What we do or don't do means little to you.  If you can't play nice, take your $hit and go home

you want action, you want to stop 'talking' then grab a gun with like minded people and 'march' on Trenton.  Last time we had over 10k there in the 90s and it didn't do anything.  you need MEANINGFUL action and resolve coupled with civil disobedience.  Unless you are willing to do that, pipe down and stop trying to be a tough guy

 

to all the rest, was a good thread

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3 hours ago, this_is_nascar said:

I never once suggested or advocated scamming the system. In my particular case, not that I owe you or anyone else an explanation, I purchased a couple pellet guns many years ago, prior to ever knowing a handgun permit was required to legally own them in NJ. I have no use for them and have no desire to get permits for them.

When I learned of the buyback, I thought it could solve my issue in getting rid of these and putting some coin in my pocket while doing so.

I can't speak for others and I too despise anyone that would purposely attempt to scam the system.


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You don't need a permit for something you already own.

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3 hours ago, Slab Sides said:

You need a paper trail for pistols.

No "paper trail" needed for pistols legally acquired outside of NJ.

You can move to NJ with your collection of pistols that you acquired while a resident of another state and continue to legally possess them in NJ without even thinking about a NJ pistol permit.

You can go to Cabela's in another state, buy a bb pistol or a black powder pistol (not regulated in other states but considered handguns in NJ), bring them back into NJ and legally possess them in NJ without even thinking about a NJ pistol permit.

Here's the mind blower:

You can buy one of those polymer80 spectre 80% glock-compatible frames, have it shipped to your house in NJ, buy all the rest of the parts necessary to complete it, travel over to PA or DE or another state that does not outlaw individual manufacture of firearms, finish milling/drilling out the frame, and then return to NJ with a legal, functional, semiautomatic centerfire handgun without even thinking about a NJ pistol permit.

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1 hour ago, DirtyDigz said:

No "paper trail" needed for pistols legally acquired outside of NJ.

You can move to NJ with your collection of pistols that you acquired while a resident of another state and continue to legally possess them in NJ without even thinking about a NJ pistol permit.

You can go to Cabela's in another state, buy a bb pistol or a black powder pistol (not regulated in other states but considered handguns in NJ), bring them back into NJ and legally possess them in NJ without even thinking about a NJ pistol permit.

Here's the mind blower:

You can buy one of those polymer80 spectre 80% glock-compatible frames, have it shipped to your house in NJ, buy all the rest of the parts necessary to complete it, travel over to PA or DE or another state that does not outlaw individual manufacture of firearms, finish milling/drilling out the frame, and then return to NJ with a legal, functional handgun without even thinking about a NJ pistol permit.

yeah but what if that black powder pistol was traced back to manu date for whatever odd reason? 

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1 hour ago, myhatinthering said:

yeah but what if that black powder pistol was traced back to manu date for whatever odd reason? 

***WARNING***A lot of INAL inference following:

I won't matter. It was still acquired legally in another state. It just so happens the other state doesn't classify black powder pistols as guns. Therefore making the purchase legal.

Or I could be totally wrong.

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1 hour ago, WP22 said:

***WARNING***A lot of INAL inference following:

I won't matter. It was still acquired legally in another state. It just so happens the other state doesn't classify black powder pistols as guns. Therefore making the purchase legal.

Or I could be totally wrong.

gotcha

 

not a black powder fan but interesting

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No "paper trail" needed for pistols legally acquired outside of NJ.

You can move to NJ with your collection of pistols that you acquired while a resident of another state and continue to legally possess them in NJ without even thinking about a NJ pistol permit.
You can go to Cabela's in another state, buy a bb pistol or a black powder pistol (not regulated in other states but considered handguns in NJ), bring them back into NJ and legally possess them in NJ without even thinking about a NJ pistol permit.
Here's the mind blower:
You can buy one of those polymer80 spectre 80% glock-compatible frames, have it shipped to your house in NJ, buy all the rest of the parts necessary to complete it, travel over to PA or DE or another state that does not outlaw individual manufacture of firearms, finish milling/drilling out the frame, and then return to NJ with a legal, functional, semiautomatic centerfire handgun without even thinking about a NJ pistol permit.


Ok, I'll bite. So, if I purchased a pellet gun (pistol style, single pump) from out of state, I can keep and legally use it in NJ?

Do I need to be able to prove I purchased it from someone or somewhere? What if there was no paper trail?


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3 hours ago, this_is_nascar said:

 


Ok, I'll bite. So, if I purchased a pellet gun (pistol style, single pump) from out of state, I can keep and legally use it in NJ?

Do I need to be able to prove I purchased it from someone or somewhere? What if there was no paper trail?


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There are 1000s of handguns acquired legally in other states in NJ.  If you acquired it legally you own it legally as has been said.  If you transport and use it in accordance with NJ laws when you're in NJ there are no issues.  No need to prove where or from whom you acquired it.

Illegal possession of a handgun in NJ is when you're carrying outside of the scope of transportation laws without a permit, using it in a crime, or a prohibited person.  If you don't do any of that it's legal.

There is no paper trail for air guns or black powder guns acquired outside of NJ.  The burden of proof is on the prosecution not the defendant anywhere in the US.

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There are 1000s of handguns acquired legally in other states in NJ.  If you acquired it legally you own it legally as has been said.  If you transport and use it in accordance with NJ laws when you're in NJ there are no issues.  No need to prove where or from whom you acquired it.
Illegal possession of a handgun in NJ is when you're carrying outside of the scope of transportation laws without a permit, using it in a crime, or a prohibited person.  If you don't do any of that it's legal.
There is no paper trail for air guns or black powder guns acquired outside of NJ.  The burden of proof is on the prosecution not the defendant anywhere in the US.


Thanks. I appreciate the response.

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Regardless of what some nameless person told a caller on the phone when asked, under 2C:39-1f, BB rifles and pistols ARE considered firearms in this G-d forsaken state.

" f.   "Firearm" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, automatic or semi-automatic rifle, or any gun, device or instrument in the nature of a weapon from which may be fired or ejected any solid projectable ball, slug, pellet, missile or bullet, or any gas, vapor or other noxious thing, by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances.  It shall also include, without limitation, any firearm which is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person. "

 

So to paraphrase a well-hated Socialist Senator from Kalifornia:

"Ladies and gentlemen, boy and girls, TURN THEM IN !!!!!!"

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