capt14k 2,051 Posted September 3, 2017 Most stations I saw today were $2.49-2.59. Didn't pass the cheap station today but will in the morning.Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted September 3, 2017 nah. he only has the 1 location. he pays more for his gas than the guy at my shop sells it for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InFamous 311 Posted September 3, 2017 I was wrong, the Shell by me was actually $2.89 for credit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted September 3, 2017 Lukoil was $3.38 a gallon cash/$3.48 credit on RT 10 in Randolph last night. It amazes me how they stay in business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InFamous 311 Posted September 3, 2017 21 minutes ago, ChrisJM981 said: Lukoil was $3.38 a gallon cash/$3.48 credit on RT 10 in Randolph last night. It amazes me how they stay in business. Yeah no way in hell I'd be stopping there. LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted September 3, 2017 just think....if they hadn't shut down the south jersey refineries, we'd still be relatively cheap. weren't there a couple in north jersey too? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted September 3, 2017 35 minutes ago, InFamous said: Yeah no way in hell I'd be stopping there. LOL The 76 station down the street is $2.68 cash/$2.73 credit. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golf battery 1,223 Posted September 3, 2017 What ever happened to vehicles running on water. Cumbustion engines running off the by products of h20. Big money shot that down? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,278 Posted September 4, 2017 45 minutes ago, Golf battery said: What ever happened to vehicles running on water. Cumbustion engines running off the by products of h20. Big money shot that down? No, thermodynamics shot that down. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golf battery 1,223 Posted September 4, 2017 Wtf is that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted September 4, 2017 Quick Check 2.69 cash or credit. Station that was 2.19 is 2.49. Haven't seen crazy price gouging in Western Monmouth or Southern MiddlesexSent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted September 4, 2017 with adjustments, you could most likely get your vehicle to run on water....but you'd be having to break the water down, and seperate the hydrogen, and burn that......i think there's been a couple guys that've done that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted September 4, 2017 with adjustments, you could most likely get your vehicle to run on water....but you'd be having to break the water down, and seperate the hydrogen, and burn that......i think there's been a couple guys that've done that.In fantasy land they have vehicles that run on water. If anyone could make it work they would likely meet an untimely death, but if they did bring it to market they would be a multi billionaire.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted September 4, 2017 It exists.. https://ssl.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted September 4, 2017 It exists.. https://ssl.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.htmlThat's a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle. Not a vehicle that runs on water. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted September 4, 2017 And what is water made of.... H2O Tailpipe emissions ..... water..... It is as close as scientifically possible..... but will never be main stream in my life time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted September 4, 2017 32 minutes ago, capt14k said: In fantasy land they have vehicles that run on water. If anyone could make it work they would likely meet an untimely death, but if they did bring it to market they would be a multi billionaire. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk hydrogen. you get it from water. the byproduct of hydrogen in an internal combustion engine is.....water 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted September 4, 2017 there's also this...... A new hydrogen refueling station supplied by the Danish company H2 Logic will be installed just outside Oslo, Norway in summer 2011 as part of Norway’s “hydrogen highway“. Together with another planned Oslo hydrogen station in 2011, this means Norway will have one of the world’s densest hydrogen refueling networks. Hydrogen is produced by splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen is compressed and stored in the vehicle. Most hydrogen vehicles react hydrogen with oxygen in a fuel cell to run electric motors. So effectively a fuel-cell vehicle is a form of electric vehicle. Pike Research predicts that 37 percent of the 2.8 million fuel-cell vehicles sold by 2020 will be in Western Europe, 36 percent will be in the Asia-Pacific region and just 25 percent will be in North America. Several major automakers have recently announced their intentions to get fuel-cell models into showrooms by 2015. https://venturebeat.com/2010/11/26/hydrogen-refueling-ramps-up-in-norway/ 12 minutes ago, capt14k said: That's a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle. Not a vehicle that runs on water. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk it powers the electric motor through the fuel cell. the hydrogen reacts with oxygen to create the power. so...yea. it runs essentially on water 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted September 4, 2017 2 hours ago, 1LtCAP said: with adjustments, you could most likely get your vehicle to run on water....but you'd be having to break the water down, and seperate the hydrogen, and burn that......i think there's been a couple guys that've done that. Can't be done, well let me correct that, can't be done economically - as it takes more energy to break the water molecule apart than you would get by burning the hydrogen. Those pesky laws of physics at work. Fuel cells typically use hydrogen that is a byproduct of other chemical reaction, not from the dissociation of water. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted September 4, 2017 27 minutes ago, Howard said: Can't be done, well let me correct that, can't be done economically - as it takes more energy to break the water molecule apart than you would get by burning the hydrogen. Those pesky laws of physics at work. Fuel cells typically use hydrogen that is a byproduct of other chemical reaction, not from the dissociation of water. that right there is the key. but we're not talking if it's economical or not...just if it can be done. also.....the hydrogen highway in norway...they've got 2 refueling stations in oslo that produce their hydrogen by electrolysis. powered by the sun i think. also lillistrom? i think it is by electrolysis and other means. and one that uses hydrogen that is a byproduct of making chlorine. even with me arguing for this......i've pretty much always said that there's nothing out therre that'll give us the bang for the buck that oil does. thankfully, oil's not the limited resource that we've been lied to saying it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted September 4, 2017 that right there is the key. but we're not talking if it's economical or not...just if it can be done. also.....the hydrogen highway in norway...they've got 2 refueling stations in oslo that produce their hydrogen by electrolysis. powered by the sun i think. also lillistrom? i think it is by electrolysis and other means. and one that uses hydrogen that is a byproduct of making chlorine. even with me arguing for this......i've pretty much always said that there's nothing out therre that'll give us the bang for the buck that oil does. thankfully, oil's not the limited resource that we've been lied to saying it is.Many many moons ago I was a process engineer at a Chloralkali plant that as you correctly stated yields hydrogen while producing chlorine. We sold as much of that hydrogen as possible for its value as a chemical, only as last resort did we burn it in our boilers as a fuel as it is much more valuable as a chemical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Nickjc said: We dwell so much in oil reserves and oil in the ground - yet without refining you really have no go go juice.... It is beyond amazing to me how when I was just discussing this with someone how they cannot see how perilous our entire system is. All interconnected webs that one tear or fault upsets the entire chain. I read somewhere that we haven't built a new refinery in like 15 years or so.....wow. No redundancy. ..... imagine *if* - they go offline permanently or for longer than a month or so..... The lack of fuel or availability of same on a consistent basis - creates a negative cascade effect that jeopardizes our entire existence also bear in mind, that although most gas stations have capacity to hold upwards of 22,000 gallons in their underground tanks.....most carry less than 10,000 on hand. the station out front lasted only THREE days without refilling with NORMAL business. imagine that in panic mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted September 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Nickjc said: We dwell so much in oil reserves and oil in the ground - yet without refining you really have no go go juice.... It is beyond amazing to me how when I was just discussing this with someone how they cannot see how perilous our entire system is. All interconnected webs that one tear or fault upsets the entire chain. I read somewhere that we haven't built a new refinery in like 15 years or so.....wow. No redundancy. ..... imagine *if* - they go offline permanently or for longer than a month or so..... The lack of fuel or availability of same on a consistent basis - creates a negative cascade effect that jeopardizes our entire existence While true that we have not build new refineries in years, and have closed many small ones, there have been huge improvements and major capacity expansions at existing locations. Total capacity and reliability is up. But yes, they are not disperse and the majority are in the gulf - that is due to economics. Refining is not the only thing that has fine tuned the supply chain, look at the automotive industry. You can have a tiny parts company fail and it will shut production lines down at major auto producers these days as it may be the only supplier of a specific part and they carry almost no inventory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted September 5, 2017 25 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said: also bear in mind, that although most gas stations have capacity to hold upwards of 22,000 gallons in their underground tanks.....most carry less than 10,000 on hand. the station out front lasted only THREE days without refilling with NORMAL business. imagine that in panic mode. It depends on the volume the station does. I was talking to an attendant at Costco a few months back and asking why there is almost always a tanker truck parked there. He explained they sit waiting to fill the tanks as they go through about five tankers worth of gas each day. Now THAT is a high volume station. I would imagine some on the Turnpike do similar type volumes with constant deliveries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted September 5, 2017 even at that volume, i'd venture they've got 3 days or less in the ground. it's not a pretty picture if the poop really hit for any reason. it's also part of why i keep all my stuff full. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted September 5, 2017 Prices are now a standard $2.69 for regular all in the Tampa Bay, area. Looks like that's the current permitted "gouge" price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites