leahcim 673 Posted September 13, 2017 8 hours ago, Ray Ray said: Did we a'll forget the celebrating in the streets around this area and in the middle East when the buildings came down? How soon we forget. Their "religion" is racist, homophobic, sexist, allows rape of women and children, allows murder, bigotry, slavery, and thievery. I'll pass Who said anything about forgetting? I will remember 9/11 as long as I live. And I also remember the videos of people celebrating in the streets of AMERICAN CITIES. I cannot speak as one who lost someone close in 9/11, but every American lost something that day. I do not think forgiveness is incompatible with continued vigilance. I do not think you have to let your guard down to forgive. In fact I believe that even under attack you can forgive the people attacking and at the same time employing deadly force--to repel or neutralize those same attackers you forgive--to prevent them from bringing harm to yourself or others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 673 Posted September 13, 2017 And honestly, I think I would have a really difficult time forgiving someone who brought such harm to my family or friends. I would hope I could forgive, but I hope to never have to find out... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,120 Posted September 13, 2017 If every sin could be forgiven, there would be no need for Hell. Some things are just unforgivable. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 673 Posted September 13, 2017 I would say every sin can be forgiven except for failing to ask for and believe in forgiveness, but that might get this thread moved to the 1A forum... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted September 13, 2017 Personally, I'm down with eye for an eye! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handyman 5,682 Posted September 14, 2017 All you have to do is call your belief system a "religion" and it gets a free ride. Misogyny, homophobia, the whole nine yards. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted September 14, 2017 7 hours ago, Nickjc said: Many interesting takes - Some of us would give 30 seconds, a minute a precious hour - not to remember - hate or otherwise not want to destroy that which still pokes at our brain and heart daily. While other can and may forgive - while other may and can only hate terrorists - while others blame it all on us as they have no real 'truth' as to what happened that day - what I want probably should not be spoken - what I want is an entire section of the world turned to glass. Women, Children, husbands - fathers etc. are all culpable - they grew fed and allowed that hate to grow - their are no moderates - they have been doing this it for centuries waging war on others and still are - and they live among us. Reaping the freedom that this country so dearly gives and allow them to spew their hate and rhetoric. They would surely kill every single one of us if and when they can. See the pain burns bright every single solitary day - I was just down on Cedar Street for a meeting today - all that was in me trying to not look up and be sorrowful and pissed the eff off. All the while - praying that someone has the stones and stupidity to light the sons of bitches up in one or many large mushroom clouds - by bye mecca - bye bye medina - you want Armageddeon - you want the final battle? Good we will oblige you - pull our folks back and out button up and launch - nighty night. eff the sickness that is islam - eff mohammed - eff the koran - it is a cancer on civilization that has run rampant for far to long Other than that - sure forgive and forget - till they next time or ' they ' light us up - it is coming - we will lose cities - cause we are too weak to do what really needs to be done. I'm not sure how you feel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted September 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Nickjc said: I clearly do not have an opinion It is difficult to be pragmatic about the event, while we as humans can come to terms with loss. While we can come to terms knowing that a loved one likely burned alive. While we can come to terms knowing that and the things that were possible and happened. What is most difficult is the constant reminder. Think of it as a scab on a wound that has been picked to the point of infection - no matter how much salve we put - the moment we have some healing - and are almost healed - the infection has a resurgence - and it is an open wound once again. That all being said - the geopolitical aspects of the belief system known as islam, unless the 'moderates' within that system bring the others under control - it must be treated like a cancer and dealt with accordigly. If a particular belief system requires the subjugation of people's to conform to that belief system at the point of a sword - knife -gun - bomb - car attack - NBC weapons. It must be dealt with in the harshest manner for the good of all free living people's on the planet. But again I have no opinion the only way to deal with this is for moderates within the Muslim community to put a stop to it. until that happens this will be a war my my childrens children will be dealing with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted September 14, 2017 1 hour ago, remixer said: the only way to deal with this is for moderates within the Muslim community to put a stop to it. until that happens this will be a war my my childrens children will be dealing with. and this will never happen. remember? i believe that the sb terrorists neighbors and relatives knew of their plans? remember orlando terrorist? his wife and other knew? do you really think that only the terrorists that kilt themselves during 911 were the only ones that knew about what they were about to do? there's almost ALWAYS someone close to the perps that knows what's about to go down. yet they constantly do NOTHING. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 673 Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) On 9/13/2017 at 11:29 PM, Handyman said: All you have to do is call your belief system a "religion" and it gets a free ride. Misogyny, homophobia, the whole nine yards. No. I see only one religion getting that free pass. Christians are attacked all the time for just expressing our beliefs in a calm, kind and loving manner. Edited September 15, 2017 by leahcim autocorrect-calm=cartoon 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted September 15, 2017 1 hour ago, leahcim said: No. I see only one religion getting that free pass. Christians are attacked all the time for just expressing our beliefs in a cartoon, kind and loving manner. Easy now, there are plenty of Pacific Islanders, South Americans, Native Americans, Aborigines and Africans who would disagree with your statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 673 Posted September 15, 2017 13 hours ago, Ray Ray said: Easy now, there are plenty of Pacific Islanders, South Americans, Native Americans, Aborigines and Africans who would disagree with your statement. My post was in response to current and recent events, not ancient history. You bring up a whole different topic, better suited to 1A forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted September 15, 2017 2 hours ago, leahcim said: My post was in response to current and recent events, not ancient history. You bring up a whole different topic, better suited to 1A forum Isn't this a 1A forum? Aren't ALL forums 1A? Oh wait, not here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 673 Posted September 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Ray Ray said: Isn't this a 1A forum? Aren't ALL forums 1A? Oh wait, not here. Haha. Of course it is--until you run afoul of the forum guidelines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexTheSane 236 Posted September 16, 2017 1st Amendment has nothing to do with posting on privately owned websites. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Congress did not make the forum rules. If you don't like the rules on a website, find another website to go to or start your own. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted September 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, AlexTheSane said: 1st Amendment has nothing to do with posting on privately owned websites. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Congress did not make the forum rules. If you don't like the rules on a website, find another website to go to or start your own. I HOPE i'm not gonna get in trouble for this....flamewarriors dot net. be prepared. anything goes there. some good people. it's got people too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 673 Posted September 17, 2017 3 hours ago, AlexTheSane said: 1st Amendment has nothing to do with posting on privately owned websites. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Congress did not make the forum rules. If you don't like the rules on a website, find another website to go to or start your own. I was just saying that this forum has a 1A forum (1st amendment lounge). I understand the BOR outlines out freedoms with respect to government and the law, and has nothing to do with a private forum, online it not Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted September 17, 2017 50 minutes ago, leahcim said: I was just saying that this forum has a 1A forum (1st amendment lounge) Yeah, you gotta pay. Ridiculous, I know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites