blueraptor

26 FID question

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i was seen by a Physician assistant for my insomnia/anxiety was prescribed some medications to help me sleep better. can i put no? since technically shes not a doctor

 26) Have you ever been attended, treated or observed by any doctor or psychiatrist or at any hospital or mental institution on an inpatient or outpatient basis for any mental or psychiatric condition? If yes, give the name and location of the doctor, psychiatrist, hospital or institution and the date(s) of such occurrence

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A P.A. is acting for the physician so that does not matter in my opinion, you were seen by a doctor. I would also not call insomnia or mild anxiety necessarily a psychological or psychiatric condition. I would answer NO and go on with your life.

Others will chime in but I would say NOT to overthink question 26!

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PA's can only practice in NJ under the auspices of a licensed physician.They often make entries into the patient's chart, which are normally reviewed by a physician who may make an additional comment or diagnosis.  The chart may contain a diagnosis under what is known as DMS V which is the standard manual for mental or psychiatric diagnosis. However, it may not.  You really need to get a copy of the medical record to see if a diagnosis of a mental or psychiatric condition was made. Usually, a physician who calls in a prescription documents your chart. Insomnia, in and of itself is not regarded as a DMS psychiatric condition, but anxiety can be depending on its presentation. You do not indicate here what medication you were given and should not post the answer in a public forum anyway. You should be aware that even if, after reviewing your chart, you need to make a disclosure, that is not the end of the matter and usually a letter from your physician may be all that is required. As you can see, there is no simple answer to your question without more data.

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1 hour ago, blueraptor said:

i was seen by a Physician assistant for my insomnia/anxiety was prescribed some medications to help me sleep better. can i put no? since technically shes not a doctor

 26) Have you ever been attended, treated or observed by any doctor or psychiatrist or at any hospital or mental institution on an inpatient or outpatient basis for any mental or psychiatric condition? If yes, give the name and location of the doctor, psychiatrist, hospital or institution and the date(s) of such occurrence

Insomnia/anxiety is not a psychiatric condition.  Calm down, take your xanex, get a good night's sleep and stop over thinking this.  The correct answer is "NO".  I speak from experience. 

39 minutes ago, blueraptor said:

 

is it better to say yes and  ask a doctor's letter from the same PA and submit it with my application?

HELL NO!

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As someone who has had experience with Q#26, I don't think your situation rises to the  level that would reasonably warrant answering Yes.

My sense is a No answer would be defensible should it ever be questioned in the future.  You must of course believe you are being truthful on the form. 

IANAL

 

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I would use the plain meaning of words, it said were you "treated or observed by a DOCTOR"  - you were not, you did not see a DOCTOR.  You have grounds to stand on as you answered no to specifically what they ASKED.

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Brings to mind something someone once told me regarding legal proceedings: “Don’t answer a question that hasn’t been asked”. 

A few other considerations related to Q#26 in general:

- it is a felony to falsify your responses. So you must answer truthfully and be confident you can defend your answers should they ever be questioned in the future. (I.e. if you get caught lying, you are screwed.)

- once you answer “Yes”, you must always answer “Yes” in order to be consistent with your prior submissions. In my case, I have answered”Yes” on two subsequent P2P applictions and included a letter stating  that I answered Yes in order to be consistent with my earlier applications. In that letter, I also affirmed(truthfully) that there has been no further treatment bla bla bla.  These last two applications were routinely  processed and approved with any issues.

Hope this  helps. And of course IANAL 

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On 10/16/2017 at 7:19 PM, blueraptor said:

 

is it better to say yes and  ask a doctor's letter from the same PA and submit it with my application?

That's exactly what I did. I kept a copy of the letter and resubmit it whenever I apply for a P2P. Hasn't been a problem for me at all.

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At work, we have three managers who oversee 10 site supervisors who oversee roughly 75 employees.  We were down to only one manager for a while - me.  I was swamped, overwhelmed, and not sleeping well.  I was prescribed something to help me sleep.  I was some anxiety med I can't remember the name of.  I took it for about a month - maybe 6 weeks.  It helped me over the hump until the open positions were filled.

I don't consider myself to have been treated for a psychiatric condition.  I was stressed and not sleeping well - no disorder - no condition.

I answer "No". 

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29 minutes ago, maintenanceguy said:

At work, we have three managers who oversee 10 site supervisors who oversee roughly 75 employees.  We were down to only one manager for a while - me.  I was swamped, overwhelmed, and not sleeping well.  I was prescribed something to help me sleep.  I was some anxiety med I can't remember the name of.  I took it for about a month - maybe 6 weeks.  It helped me over the hump until the open positions were filled.

I don't consider myself to have been treated for a psychiatric condition.  I was stressed and not sleeping well - no disorder - no condition.

I answer "No". 

im just worried if i answer "no" , its going to pop out in the mental background check

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4 hours ago, blueraptor said:

im just worried if i answer "no" , its going to pop out in the mental background check

My doctor once prescribed a medication to help me loose weight.  I forget the name of that one too but it was also used to treat ADHD. Somebody discovered that appetite suppression was a side effect so it was also used for that.  I asked if it would ever show up on a mental health background check that I had been prescribed a med used for ADHD.  My doctor is a big gun guy too so he knew why I was asking.  He said that it wasn't going to be reported to anyone and it wouldn't ever show up on any background check.  

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