antimatter 139 Posted November 21, 2017 saw this last night and i soooo want one. i think its cool; same concept as the shockwave. what say yee??? https://fightlite.com/collections/fightlite-raider-pistol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philasipha 5 Posted November 21, 2017 saw this last night and i soooo want one. i think its cool; same concept as the shockwave. what say yee???https://fightlite.com/collections/fightlite-raider-pistolInteresting concept to say the least would this be considered a pistol?Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted November 21, 2017 I believe that will be a No-go in NJ. It is not a firearm like the shockwave and the Tac-14. These are semi auto pistols. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1563621 388 Posted November 21, 2017 1 minute ago, High Exposure said: I believe that will be a No-go in NJ. It is not a firearm like the shockwave and the Tac-14. These are semi auto pistols. Not in NJ, I am sure! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philasipha 5 Posted November 21, 2017 Not in NJ, I am sure! if these are considered pistols the legality would come down to a matter of weight.Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philasipha 5 Posted November 21, 2017 if these are considered pistols the legality would come down to a matter of weight. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk The shorter one is 62.4 oz. So yea, ain't happening in NJ. Also the handguard is a no go. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antimatter 139 Posted November 21, 2017 but i want an oompa loompa now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
louu 399 Posted November 21, 2017 Not trying to sound like a dick, this is a legitamate question. Why do you guys like guns that are not accurate? Stuff like this if pretty much only good for shooting people within 10 feet and nothing else, except maybe wasting ammo. That's how I see it anyway, I'm could be wrong and if I am please enlighten me. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted November 21, 2017 44 minutes ago, antimatter said: saw this last night and i soooo want one. i think its cool; same concept as the shockwave. what say yee??? https://fightlite.com/collections/fightlite-raider-pistol How does the buffer work? Angle of incident I guess? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted November 21, 2017 Betcha I could hit a man sized target at 100 yards with it. The barrel would need to be 6 inches longer to be a non-pistol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Zeke said: How does the buffer work? Angle of incident I guess? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted November 21, 2017 This is an Ares SCR: https://fightlite.com/collections/scr-rifles in pistol form. The SCR has been out for a while in both complete rifle and lower only form. They will accept any AR upper, just swap the BCG. If N.J. goes featureless for semi auto, the SCR is a viable option. Trigger is meh, but it handles well. That pistol though - no thank you. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,259 Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Zeke said: How does the buffer work? Angle of incident I guess? It's pretty much identical to the majority of semi-auto shotguns. Spring in a tube in the grip. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antimatter 139 Posted November 21, 2017 interesting, thanks for the pics! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted November 21, 2017 I'll pass Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted November 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, Ray Ray said: I'll pass Until 2018 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myhatinthering 462 Posted November 22, 2017 How is featureless standing up to challenge???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD2K 115 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/21/2017 at 9:50 AM, antimatter said: saw this last night and i soooo want one. i think its cool; same concept as the shockwave. what say yee??? https://fightlite.com/collections/fightlite-raider-pistol Looks like something Mad Max would have Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UMP45 ENTRY 0 Posted December 2, 2017 It’s legal with a MEAN perm mag lock. Top load or load from the ejection port with their side loader. ”Evil” feature list does not apply with the lack of a detachable magazine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted December 3, 2017 On 11/21/2017 at 0:09 PM, High Exposure said: This is an Ares SCR: https://fightlite.com/collections/scr-rifles in pistol form. The SCR has been out for a while in both complete rifle and lower only form. They will accept any AR upper, just swap the BCG. If N.J. goes featureless for semi auto, the SCR is a viable option. Trigger is meh, but it handles well. That pistol though - no thank you. Why not just make it a piston gun? This looks stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,322 Posted December 3, 2017 There are times in a man's life when he has to draw a line in the sand, I will NEVER do these horrible things to a perfectly good AR! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted December 3, 2017 34 minutes ago, Ray Ray said: Why not just make it a piston gun? This looks stupid. So you can hit things past 300 yards? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted December 3, 2017 31 minutes ago, ChrisJM981 said: So you can hit things past 300 yards? Piston guns can hit past 300 yards. Think SCAR 16 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted December 3, 2017 You say piston and I think AK, but yeah SCAR or HK416 I suppose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted December 3, 2017 On 12/1/2017 at 11:09 PM, UMP45 ENTRY said: It’s legal with a MEAN perm mag lock. Top load or load from the ejection port with their side loader. ”Evil” feature list does not apply with the lack of a detachable magazine. as soon as you can get a determination installing a MEAN makes a formerly removable magazine be considered "fixed" or "non-removable" such that it removes it from the evil feature list in NJ, you let me know. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mossburger 406 Posted December 3, 2017 1 hour ago, JohnnyB said: There are times in a man's life when he has to draw a line in the sand, I will NEVER do these horrible things to a perfectly good AR! So you'll ditch the standard cap mags. And you'll pin the telescoping stock. Ditch the flash hider for a useless muzzle brake. But the pistol grip is where the line is? Sorry, there's a line in the sand, yes. It was crossed long, long ago. I don't understand the "I won't comply!" crowd. You already comply... On 11/21/2017 at 1:25 PM, PK90 said: Until 2018 Nah, they're gonna "not comply" and pass on these while they're worth nothing now. Then they're gonna line up and pay double in 2018, plus wait an extra month for NICS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted December 3, 2017 It's all speculation at this point. Hopefully Sweeney's pockets can be stuffed with enough Benjamins to prevent any new bills from making it to the floor. With that said, if it does become law you're probably going to be out compliance with both of those firearms based on the last version of the "NJ SAFE Act". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted December 3, 2017 11 hours ago, Ray Ray said: Why not just make it a piston gun? This looks stupid. ? A piston AR still needs a receiver extension with an action spring and a buffer. Think of this as a Mini 14 chassis that takes standard AR uppers. If you have thousands of dollars invested in ARs and the law changes to allow only one "evil feature" - this will allow you to still use your uppers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted December 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, High Exposure said: ? A piston AR still needs a receiver extension with an action spring and a buffer. I'm talking about piston ARs that have folding stocks, I.E. Sig 556 and the like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Persona non grata 113 Posted December 3, 2017 10 hours ago, mossburger said: Nah, they're gonna "not comply" and pass on these while they're worth nothing now. Then they're gonna line up and pay double in 2018, plus wait an extra month for NICS. The latest version of the NJ AWB I read put muzzle brakes into the evil feature list as well, so everyone will still have to get a new barrel/upper anyway with this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites