Folding Pistol Brace on a Rifle?

[Melancholia 0]

If I had a CZ Scorpion Carbine (rifle version) with a pinned muzzle brake, would I be able to add a folding pistol stabilizing brace such as the SBTEVO without running afoul of NJ's wonderful laws?

https://www.sb-tactical.com/product/sbtevo/

I can't seem to find any restrictions regarding pistol braces in Jersey (or if they just consider them as a stock anyway) from my brief googling. The rifle is listed as 26" when the factory stock is folded if OAL is an issue.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

Interesting question.

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[PK90 3,570]

If I had a CZ Scorpion Carbine (rifle version) with a pinned muzzle brake, would I be able to add a folding pistol stabilizing brace such as the SBTEVO without running afoul of NJ's wonderful laws?
https://www.sb-tactical.com/product/sbtevo/
I can't seem to find any restrictions regarding pistol braces in Jersey (or if they just consider them as a stock anyway) from my brief googling. The rifle is listed as 26" when the factory stock is folded if OAL is an issue.

Hmmm.

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Interesting question.
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Not quite the answer you were looking for.

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[Ray Ray 3,566]

The real question, is a rifle without a stock ( which is basically what your doing) legal in New Jersey.  Since a brace isn't a stock, the rifle in question is wearing no stock.

[PK90 3,570]

A rifle is designed to be fired from the shoulder, so without a stock or with an arm brace, it would still be a rifle. You may need to get an ATF written opinion first, then approach the NJAG.

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[Ray Ray 3,566]

15 hours ago, PK90 said:

A rifle is designed to be fired from the shoulder, so without a stock or with an arm brace, it would still be a rifle. You may need to get an ATF written opinion first, then approach the NJAG.

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Or just order it.  Move along, nothing to see here.

[Melancholia 0]

15 hours ago, PK90 said:

A rifle is designed to be fired from the shoulder, so without a stock or with an arm brace, it would still be a rifle. You may need to get an ATF written opinion first, then approach the NJAG.

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I don't think I would actually try and go for it since it seems like it would raise a lot of eyebrows at then range, regardless of legality haha. I was just researching if it was possible since the NJSP letter on the shockwave seemed to have opened up a lot of vague gray area revolving around pistol braces and "firearm" stuff in Jersey.

[High Exposure 5,664]

20 hours ago, Ray Ray said:

The real question, is a rifle without a stock ( which is basically what your doing) legal in New Jersey.  Since a brace isn't a stock, the rifle in question is wearing no stock.

Sure it is. Think of a WASR under-folder with the stick pinned folded under. As far as I know those are good to go in NJ...

A lot of these decisions for the NFA/Federal loopholes hinge on how the firearm was built initially. For example, the Shockwave/Tac-14 is legal because it never had a shoulder stock on it, and was never, ever, classified as a “Shotgun”. On the other hand, if you bought a 14” barrel and a pistol grip, you can’t legally turn your existing shotgun into a Shockwave/Tac-14 without violating both Federal (unless you file SBR paperwork with the ATF - which won’t matter for us because NJ prohibits all SBRs) and State short barrel shotgun laws.

Also, the “Firearm” definition is a Federal Law that N.J. doesn't have an exception to - so therefore the Fed law is what must be followed. If N.J. had a law that said 14” smoothbore firearms with pistol grips were illegal, than the Tac-14/Shockwave would be a no-go here. 

In fact, there are a few states that we consider to be more 2A friendly and have better firearm laws than us that currently prohibit the Tac-14/Shockwave. Some states like Texas, recently passed laws lifting the ban. Some states, like Oregon allegedly, are thinking about passing legislation creating a ban on these firearms.

But this is something different...

Being as your Scorpion started as a “Rifle” I would say that putting a folding pistol brace on it now would not place it in the same federal category as a Firearm, or AOW, or make it a pistol by any definition. Further, it would violate the NJ definition of either an assault pistol or an assault rifle.

[GunsnFreedom 245]

On 1/13/2018 at 8:20 PM, Melancholia said:

If I had a CZ Scorpion Carbine (rifle version) with a pinned muzzle brake, would I be able to add a folding pistol stabilizing brace such as the SBTEVO without running afoul of NJ's wonderful laws?

https://www.sb-tactical.com/product/sbtevo/

I can't seem to find any restrictions regarding pistol braces in Jersey (or if they just consider them as a stock anyway) from my brief googling. The rifle is listed as 26" when the factory stock is folded if OAL is an issue.

My take:  since this started as a rifle and the brace is taking the place of a stock, the brace is acting as a stock.  Since it's foldable, it would violate the assault weapons law in PRNJ.  

I would be prepared for a drawn out legal battle if you take it to the range.