lopequa 0 Posted January 15, 2018 http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/A1000/655_I1.PDF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tony357 386 Posted January 15, 2018 they do not make 5 round mags this will die off in my opinion.. when it comes time will call and send letters flooding them.. hell my revolvers hold more.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lopequa 0 Posted January 15, 2018 Hope it doesn’t go through. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Berettafan 5 Posted January 15, 2018 Can this really make it through though? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,125 Posted January 15, 2018 Anything can make it through, but five round mags are pretty uncommon, to the best of my knowledge. I suspect they will use this bill, as they have done in the past, to make a ten round mag limit seem reasonable, like they are willing to compromise with us. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Berettafan 5 Posted January 15, 2018 This is bull (because I don't want to get kicked out of the forum) crap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,131 Posted January 15, 2018 Ain't gonna happen. They're either trying to be too clever knowing it's basically a ban on all semi handguns and most revolvers or are just too stupid to realize 5rd mags for handguns don't really exist. like others have said this allows a compromise for the 10 rounders which will be a pc of cake to pass as 6-8 other states already have that. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Old Glock guy said: Anything can make it through, but five round mags are pretty uncommon, to the best of my knowledge. I suspect they will use this bill, as they have done in the past, to make a ten round mag limit seem reasonable, like they are willing to compromise with us. ANNNNDDDDD this is the problem....'cause the 2a orgs will take that bargain. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gfl216 220 Posted January 15, 2018 If I'm correct, NY has a law that makes having more than 7 rds. in a magazine (regardless of the capacity) a felony. Maybe they have something like that in mind. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Berettafan 5 Posted January 15, 2018 And to think this is all due to a bunch of idiots who voted for him over marijuana. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted January 15, 2018 If I'm correct, NY has a law that makes having more than 7 rds. in a magazine (regardless of the capacity) a felony. Maybe they have something like that in mind.Struck down by Federal Court Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gfl216 220 Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, capt14k said: Struck down by Federal Court Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Didn't know that. That's good news. Do you know what the outcome of the ruling was as to the magazine capacity is in NY? Not that it matters just wondering. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted January 15, 2018 If my 15s will be illegal, then mind as well run 20s and 30s. 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pasu0115 200 Posted January 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, capt14k said: Struck down by Federal Court Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk NY is in the 2nd circuit. I believe that decision would only apply there. NJ is free to do what they want and the law would have to be taken to court in the 3rd circuit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted January 15, 2018 Didn't know that. That's good news. Do you know what the outcome of the ruling was as to the magazine capacity is in NY? Not that it matters just wondering.The rumor was that the appellate court laughed at the law and struck it down on the grounds of commonly used for sporting purpose. Yet they allowed the reduction to 10 rounds. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk MY is in the 2nd circuit. I believe that decision would only apply there. NJ is free to do what they want and the law would have to be taken to court in the 3rd circuit.That is correct. I was only referring to what happened in NYSent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted January 15, 2018 If my 15s will be illegal, then mind as well run 20s and 30s.I was thinking the same thing. Not that hard to remove the block.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, capt14k said: I was thinking the same thing. Not that hard to remove the block. Easier to just cross the border and scape up a bunch. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, 1LtCAP said: ANNNNDDDDD this is the problem....'cause the 2a orgs will take that bargain. Yes and yes they will negotiate away the AR/AK type as well - see my other post in another thread. My honest to goodness opinion is that the ANJRPC will be overjoyed to see that segment of firearms go away in NJ and be happy it is not at "their" range with the steel plate ringing boys. They can get back to basics such as 2x4 - bullseye - smallbore matches etc. But that is just *MY* opinion 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, 1LtCAP said: ANNNNDDDDD this is the problem....'cause the 2a orgs will take that bargain. Then we should make sure our voice is heard there so that is clear that such a “compromise” is unacceptable. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted January 15, 2018 54 minutes ago, voyager9 said: Then we should make sure our voice is heard there so that is clear that such a “compromise” is unacceptable. at this point there is NO acceptable compromise from us. it's time for them to give in. compromise is a very big part of how we got into this shit state of affairs to begin with. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted January 15, 2018 NJ isn’t the only one dealing with this. VA too with their new Gov. I wonder if that will help move national support of 2A orgs or federal gov. https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/01/15/gun-control-tops-new-virginia-governors-agenda/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, voyager9 said: Then we should make sure our voice is heard there so that is clear that such a “compromise” is unacceptable. You mean we should call and tell them no compromises... go for 3 rounds or less? I say instead of trying to stop them, encourage them to go full on absolute fucking retarded. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, sota said: You mean we should call and tell them no compromises... go for 3 rounds or less? I say instead of trying to stop them, encourage them to go full on absolute fucking retarded. Interesting... I like it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted January 15, 2018 I'm actually serious. Let's encourage them like lemmings to go running blindly over the cliff. With any luck they'll be halfway down before they realize SCOTUS is going to beat them to death with an ugly stick. Meanwhile we just won't comply. Fuck 'em and fuck anyone who comes for your stuff. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted January 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, sota said: You mean we should call and tell them no compromises... go for 3 rounds or less? I say instead of trying to stop them, encourage them to go full on absolute fucking retarded. That’s just common sense Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, sota said: I'm actually serious. Let's encourage them like lemmings to go running blindly over the cliff. With any luck they'll be halfway down before they realize SCOTUS is going to beat them to death with an ugly stick. Meanwhile we just won't comply. Fuck 'em and fuck anyone who comes for your stuff. I know, it’s outside the box. Maybe it’s the correct approach. “ violate your oath while you're at it” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted January 15, 2018 You mean we should call and tell them no compromises... go for 3 rounds or less? [emoji3] I say instead of trying to stop them, encourage them to go full on absolute fucking retarded.That's what I said too. I say we give them ideas. The further they overreach the better chance we have at SCOTUS striking everything down.Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Persona non grata 113 Posted January 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, sota said: I'm actually serious. Let's encourage them like lemmings to go running blindly over the cliff. With any luck they'll be halfway down before they realize SCOTUS is going to beat them to death with an ugly stick. Meanwhile we just won't comply. Fuck 'em and fuck anyone who comes for your stuff. I'm not saying that the strategy is wrong or won't work, but I have my doubts that SCOTUS will ever bail us out. They didn't hear the latest MD AWB appeal, so why would they bother with anything from NJ? Besides, SCOTUS is mixed at best. Gorsuch, Thomas, and Alito seemingly can be counted on, but Kennedy and Roberts could go the other way depending on the day of the week. We'd probably need to rely on the Third Circuit for a good outcome and hope it doesn't go higher than that until Trump can appoint at least one more pro 2a justice (although I'd feel better with two). Here's hoping Trump and Congress get those vacancies on the Third Circuit filled ASAP. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bt Doctur 188 Posted January 16, 2018 F`em, I will not comply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot 358 Posted January 16, 2018 Why not 0-rd mags? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites