Bully 749 Posted January 17, 2018 RTSP got robbed is the word on the street. Anyone heard anything? I’ve had issues with that range in the past however I would never in a million years wish something like this on them or any business, really. It just sucks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted January 17, 2018 Yup. I got word last night. Love or hate RTSP, this is bad all the way around. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bully 749 Posted January 17, 2018 It was after hours then? ouch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revenger 473 Posted January 17, 2018 Difficult to believe it wasn't an inside job, Too much security to bypass. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,262 Posted January 17, 2018 gun safe emptied? would i be outta place to float the possibility of an inside job? and i'm not trying to be a dick.......just seems odd that this could happen without some form of inside info..... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted January 17, 2018 BURGLARY, not robbery. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot 358 Posted January 17, 2018 Not sure what the security is but from what I can recall, it’s a glass door and glass cases there. Smash and grab perhaps. Years ago, some guys did that at a Costco to the jewelry case in broad daylight while they were open. Brazen stuff happens. Who knows. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bully 749 Posted January 17, 2018 I’m looking at the time posted. 11ish PM. I don’t think they’re open that late. Not sure tho. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted January 17, 2018 Wow, that purely sucks. RTSP is a class act. Hope they catch the perps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel 7,157 Posted January 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, PK90 said: BURGLARY, not robbery. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Wow.... I believe that "words matter", and yet I've been (incorrectly!) using those words interchangeably my whole life... just looked it up and realized they have totally different legal definitions. Thanks. And I'm so very sorry to hear this has happened. Sorry for the business, of course.. but also sorry for how the always-opportunistic anti-2A zealots will likely get a hold of this story and "spin it" for all it's worth --- perhaps as a way to slam commercial ranges in general? I truly hope I'm wrong. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,262 Posted January 17, 2018 burglar can still be an inside job Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WP22 1,558 Posted January 17, 2018 Makes no difference who the perpetrator is. https://www.asecurelife.com/burglary-vs-robbery/ Robbery Robbery is defined by the law as taking or trying to take something from someone that has value by utilizing intimidation, force or threat. In order for robbery to take place, a victim must be present at the scene and can occur with a single victim or, in cases like bank hold ups, multiple victims. Burglary Burglary is defined by the law as the unlawful entry to a structure to commit theft or a felony. In order for burglary to take place, a victim does not have to be present. When a burglary takes place, the structure being unlawfully entered can be any number of building types including business offices, personal homes and even garden sheds. Burglary is not the term used for crimes committed on cars. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indianajonze 379 Posted January 17, 2018 i go to that place to window shop. they have cameras everywhere, and all of the employees open carry. i have a hard time believing this could have been done without inside knowledge. as in, knowing where the cameras are, knowing when the last employee leaves, knowing various safe combos, etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXxplosive 824 Posted January 17, 2018 Murphy's law is an adage or epigram that is typically stated as: "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revenger 473 Posted January 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Indianajonze said: i go to that place to window shop. they have cameras everywhere, and all of the employees open carry. i have a hard time believing this could have been done without inside knowledge. as in, knowing where the cameras are, knowing when the last employee leaves, knowing various safe combos, etc only thing I can think of other than an inside job would be a take over type of robbery, wait until only a few people locking up and storm the place., I''' bet that they are not allowed to carry to their homes when they leave being this is nj I think if the later was the case we would have seen it on the "news" or what is presented as news to us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GunsnFreedom 245 Posted January 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, revenger said: only thing I can think of other than an inside job would be a take over type of robbery, wait until only a few people locking up and storm the place., I''' bet that they are not allowed to carry to their homes when they leave being this is nj I think if the later was the case we would have seen it on the "news" or what is presented as news to us. Nah, it was a robbery, so no use of intimidation or force. That's where I go to shoot and their late days are Wed, Thur, Fri until 10. Normally they close at 8 (6 on Sun). Sounds like an inside job if they got into the safe (and after hours). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted January 17, 2018 I would bet they have some very good video of the perps as they have the place fully covered including the outside. Will be interesting to see how quickly these "people" get caught. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXxplosive 824 Posted January 17, 2018 IMO, I can't understand how LE didn't arrive in time.....I remember many years back when I walked into Rosenberg's in Union the day after the burglary and the front door was off the hinges.....remember Sam tellin' me how the UPD got their man...it wasn't pretty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malice4you 627 Posted January 17, 2018 Any customer could walk into the place and see where a majority of the visible cameras or security system hardware are. Any smart criminal would be wearing masks and gloves, though there are a lot of really stupid people out there... What I imagine could be most helpful is outdoor cameras at many local homes and businesses and intersections, where their guard might be down, and any masks might be off. Hopefully these peopke are caught quickly and without incident, and every single item is recovered, and all the FFLs around benefit from knowledge gained from all this 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot said: Not sure what the security is but from what I can recall, it’s a glass door and glass cases there. Smash and grab perhaps. Years ago, some guys did that at a Costco to the jewelry case in broad daylight while they were open. Brazen stuff happens. Who knows. Some other guys did that years and years ago in Franklin - place closed down after. from what I heard is that he kept the handguns in a glass case and not the safe. I would think if they were IN the safe someone had to have intimate knowledge of the inside of the premise its alarm systems and dare I safe the safe code./.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted January 17, 2018 To bad they dident have that security guard from the 7-11 robbery working overnight. 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXxplosive 824 Posted January 17, 2018 What about the silent alarm, nothin................I dunno. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,262 Posted January 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, fishnut said: To bad they dident have that security guard from the 7-11 robbery working overnight. speaking of which.....they said on news today...that was in compton commifornia. i know at my repair shop, the alarm goes off in a few seconds. the monitoring agency calls me. no answer no password they call chpd. their arrival time is quick. always. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXxplosive 824 Posted January 17, 2018 RTSP - Range, Firearms & Training · 18 mins · Burglary Incident at RTSP 1/16/18 @ approx..10:52pm Members and customers of RTSP have reached out and posted many questions about the incident that occurred at our facility last night (1/16/18). Even though this is an ongoing investigation by local, state and federal authorities, we want to provide you with some information to try and alleviate any concerns you might have. The incident occurred after hours, thankfully. No staff members were present at the time. Two individu...als were able to gain access to the store and attempt to smash and grab RTSP inventory located in our retail display cases. They left the building within 2 minutes of entry. Randolph PD had a tremendous response time and was on site within 4 minutes. Our Security Systems and Security Procedures worked as designed and Randolph PD’s investigation will continue. We can assure you that no personal firearms/firearms on order etc.. were affected during this break in. Doors and cases have been repaired and we are back up and running as normal. Thank you for your concerns and we will see you at the range! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted January 17, 2018 54 minutes ago, GunsnFreedom said: Nah, it was a robbery, so no use of intimidation or force. That's where I go to shoot and their late days are Wed, Thur, Fri until 10. Normally they close at 8 (6 on Sun). Sounds like an inside job if they got into the safe (and after hours). No, it was not a robbery. It was a burglary. 2C:18-2. Burglary. a. Burglary defined. A person is guilty of burglary if, with purpose to commit an offense therein or thereon he:(1)Enters a research facility, structure, or a separately secured or occupied portion thereof unless the structure was at the time open to the public or the actor is licensed or privileged to enter;(2)Surreptitiously remains in a research facility, structure, or a separately secured or occupied portion thereof knowing that he is not licensed or privileged to do so; or(3)Trespasses in or upon utility company property where public notice prohibiting trespass is given by conspicuous posting, or fencing or other enclosure manifestly designed to exclude intruders. A robbery, by N.J. Definition, requires an element of force or implied force. C:15-1. Robbery a. Robbery defined. A person is guilty of robbery if, in the course of committing a theft, he: (1) Inflicts bodily injury or uses force upon another; or (2) Threatens another with or purposely puts him in fear of immediate bodily injury; or (3) Commits or threatens immediately to commit any crime of the first or second degree. An act shall be deemed to be included in the phrase "in the course of committing a theft" if it occurs in an attempt to commit theft or in immediate flight after the attempt or commission. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GunsnFreedom 245 Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, High Exposure said: No, it was not a robbery. It was a burglary. 2C:18-2. Burglary. a. Burglary defined. A person is guilty of burglary if, with purpose to commit an offense therein or thereon he:(1)Enters a research facility, structure, or a separately secured or occupied portion thereof unless the structure was at the time open to the public or the actor is licensed or privileged to enter;(2)Surreptitiously remains in a research facility, structure, or a separately secured or occupied portion thereof knowing that he is not licensed or privileged to do so; or(3)Trespasses in or upon utility company property where public notice prohibiting trespass is given by conspicuous posting, or fencing or other enclosure manifestly designed to exclude intruders. A robbery, by N.J. Definition, requires an element of force or implied force. C:15-1. Robbery a. Robbery defined. A person is guilty of robbery if, in the course of committing a theft, he: (1) Inflicts bodily injury or uses force upon another; or (2) Threatens another with or purposely puts him in fear of immediate bodily injury; or (3) Commits or threatens immediately to commit any crime of the first or second degree. An act shall be deemed to be included in the phrase "in the course of committing a theft" if it occurs in an attempt to commit theft or in immediate flight after the attempt or commission. You're right, I flipped it as I typed it. My bad! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, GunsnFreedom said: You're right, I flipped it as I typed it. My bad! It happens..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malice4you 627 Posted January 17, 2018 I have never been to rtsp late, before closing. I have been to another FFL late, and (at least years ago) their handguns get collected and locked up in a safe. Anyone know if rtsp cables everything in place or collects? If everything is left in place, it sounds like a broken window, a broken display case, and bolt cutters would fit in with the 2 minutes. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GunsnFreedom 245 Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, Malice4you said: I have never been to rtsp late, before closing. I have been to another FFL late, and (at least years ago) their handguns get collected and locked up in a safe. Anyone know if rtsp cables everything in place or collects? If everything is left in place, it sounds like a broken window, a broken display case, and bolt cutters would fit in with the 2 minutes. If I remember correctly they cable lock the rifles but leave the handguns in glass cases. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leadunderpressure 52 Posted January 17, 2018 http://www.dailyrecord.com/story/news/crime/morris-county/2018/01/17/guns-stolen-randolph-gun-range-break/1039406001/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites