NJ Buyer/Seller Question

[45Frank 32]

Good day
I am not a NJ resident for about 15 yrs now thank goodness.
Anyway I have a friend who can no longer shoot and has a few shotguns he is looking to unload legally. First off can he just ship them to me in NC or can I just pick them up?
Next if sells them F-F in NJ does the buyer need a permit?
Thank you from NC.

[PK90 3,570]

Transfer of firearms between residents of different states must be done through a dealer.

 

ETA:

1. Handgun purchases by

....A. NJ resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a P2P and Photo ID

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a P2P with Photo ID suggested

........(3) Out-of-state dealer = must be transferred through NJ dealer - Refer 1A(1)

........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through NJ dealer - Refer 1A(1)

....B. Out-of-state resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = must be transferred through buyer's home state dealer

........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through buyer's home state dealer

 

2. Long gun purchases by

....A. NJ resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested

........(3) Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through

............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or

............b. Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

....B. Non-resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through

............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or

............b. Out-of-state dealer = consult buyer's home state laws

 

3. Blackpowder and pellet handgun purchases by

....A. NJ resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = only a P2P and Photo ID required

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a P2P with Photo ID suggested

........(3) Out-of-state dealer = no requirement

........(4) Out-of-state resident = no requirement

....B. Out-of-state resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = must be shipped to an out-of-state address

........(2) NJ resident = transfer must take place out-of-state

 

4. Blackpowder and pellet long gun purchases by

....A. NJ resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = only a FPID, COE and Photo ID required

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested

........(3) Out-of-state dealer = no requirement

........(4) Out-of-state resident = no requirement

....B. Non-resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = only a FPID, COE and Photo ID required

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested or transfer must take place out-of-state

 

Quote

NJ = "New Jersey"

NICS = "National Instant Criminal Background Check System"

P2P = "Permit to Purchase a Handgun and Form of Register"

ID = "Identification"

FPID = "State of NJ Firearms Purchaser IDENTIFICATION CARD"

COE = "Certificate of Eligibility

[Sevenshot 98]

I just moved back from NC after being in NJ for 5 years, so laws may have changed.

handguns have to be through FFL like it is listed above. This is federal law and I don't think NC laws make any additional mention of it. I'm only mentioning it again because you need to make sure your NC ffl will accept the private transfer of a handgun. Some will only accept out of state handguns from another ffl. Can be a pain so make sure you call first.

long guns only required to NC ffl if private sale like in this case. If buying from a dealer, NC resident has to fulfill the requirements of the other state and nothing additional from NC. 

http://www.ncdoj.gov/getdoc/32344299-a2a7-4ae5-99fd-9018262f64ac/NC-Firearms-gun-Laws.aspx

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Btw do you have NC CCW? If not, you have to get a handgun permit if getting one. Wait is about 3 business days. Nothing extra for long guns. 

[Ray Ray 3,566]

51 minutes ago, PK90 said:

Transfer of firearms between residents of different states must be done through a dealer.

 

ETA:

1. Handgun purchases by

....A. NJ resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a P2P and Photo ID

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a P2P with Photo ID suggested

........(3) Out-of-state dealer = must be transferred through NJ dealer - Refer 1A(1)

........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through NJ dealer - Refer 1A(1)

....B. Out-of-state resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = must be transferred through buyer's home state dealer

........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through buyer's home state dealer

 

2. Long gun purchases by

....A. NJ resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested

........(3) Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through

............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or

............b. Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

....B. Non-resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through

............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or

............b. Out-of-state dealer = consult buyer's home state laws

 

3. Blackpowder and pellet handgun purchases by

....A. NJ resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = only a P2P and Photo ID required

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a P2P with Photo ID suggested

........(3) Out-of-state dealer = no requirement

........(4) Out-of-state resident = no requirement

....B. Out-of-state resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = must be shipped to an out-of-state address

........(2) NJ resident = transfer must take place out-of-state

 

4. Blackpowder and pellet long gun purchases by

....A. NJ resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = only a FPID, COE and Photo ID required

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested

........(3) Out-of-state dealer = no requirement

........(4) Out-of-state resident = no requirement

....B. Non-resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = only a FPID, COE and Photo ID required

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested or transfer must take place out-of-state

 

Quote

NJ = "New Jersey"

NICS = "National Instant Criminal Background Check System"

P2P = "Permit to Purchase a Handgun and Form of Register"

ID = "Identification"

FPID = "State of NJ Firearms Purchaser IDENTIFICATION CARD"

COE = "Certificate of Eligibility

End of topic

Have him sell them here. 

[45Frank 32]

Yeah he just wants them gone and I'm up there once or twice a yr to see him so I was just going to take them here. So if he sells them up there he has to just make sure they have a FIDC and a picture ID.
Yes here in NC if you have a CHP no wait you just walk in and buy a handgun and walk out. Which us why I have to many now. LOL

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What does he have?

[siderman 1,137]

3 hours ago, 45Frank said:

Yeah he just wants them gone and I'm up there once or twice a yr to see him so I was just going to take them here. So if he sells them up there he has to just make sure they have a FIDC and a picture ID.
Yes here in NC if you have a CHP no wait you just walk in and buy a handgun and walk out. Which us why I have to many now. LOL

and buyer, seller each fill out COE.

[45Frank 32]

On 2/21/2018 at 4:45 PM, siderman said:

and buyer, seller each fill out COE.

What is a COE?

 

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Certificate of Eligibility - a piece of paper that affirms that your FPID is still valid and that you are not a prohibited person. I've found that most out-of-state purchases of long guns, the seller won't fill one out. Really doesn't matter as the two copies go to the buyer and the seller - nothing goes to the state.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

[BobA 1,235]

3 hours ago, Pizza Bob said:

Certificate of Eligibility - a piece of paper that affirms that your FPID is still valid and that you are not a prohibited person. I've found that most out-of-state purchases of long guns, the seller won't fill one out. Really doesn't matter as the two copies go to the buyer and the seller - nothing goes to the state.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

If at some point in time the gun falls into the wrong hands, by burglary maybe, and it should commit a crime worthy of the cops to trace the gun.  You'll have documentation of where it went after you.  And if you have the COE from the first transaction you can show where it came from.

 

But PK90 is correct.  Interstate is supposed to go through FFL.  

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

2 hours ago, BobA said:

But PK90 is correct.  Interstate is supposed to go through FFL.  

My experiences were with FFL's. Since the COE is not federal NJ LEO's have no authority to audit an FFL's records in another state. Hence they don't feel the need to fill out and retain a COE.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

[BobA 1,235]

1 hour ago, Pizza Bob said:

My experiences were with FFL's. Since the COE is not federal NJ LEO's have no authority to audit an FFL's records in another state. Hence they don't feel the need to fill out and retain a COE.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

From personal experience:  a bad enough or federal crime they don’t need authority just cooperation from the presiding authority. I personally know of a case where the murder was a street crime in NYC and they traced it through 3 states from the manufacturer to its last known owner. 

If I sold a gun I wouldn’t want to be the last known owner if I wasn’t. 

[capt14k 2,052]

What about NJ resident selling C&R Firearm to FFL03 FTF in NJ? FTF in FFL03 State of Residence?

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[BobA 1,235]

Not much experience in relics I’m afraid. Other than two wall hangers I bought a few months ago. C&R’s seem to have rules in another realm. I did look into a C&R FFL but found the only real advantage was to be able to receive relics that were shipped directly to you and not have the NICS. It would be almost strictly to collect as repeated sales would be frowned upon. 

[capt14k 2,052]

Not much experience in relics I’m afraid. Other than two wall hangers I bought a few months ago. C&R’s seem to have rules in another realm. I did look into a C&R FFL but found the only real advantage was to be able to receive relics that were shipped directly to you and not have the NICS. It would be almost strictly to collect as repeated sales would be frowned upon. 

Biggest advantage is saving on transfer fees, but doesn't seem to apply in PRNJ since it still has to go through FFL01. Though you could buy C&R direct from seller in a free state and bring back, I think.

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