xXxplosive 823 Posted February 21, 2018 The bills were introduced this month by Assembly Majority Leader Louis Greenwald, who met with Murphy and representatives from gun safety organizations last week to discuss gun violence in New Jersey and reforms needed to ensure the safety of all New Jerseyans. "Throughout my time in the Assembly, I've worked to keep our communities safe from gun violence. I've sponsored legislation to lower magazine capacity to 10 rounds, supported smart gun production and sales in state, worked to create gun buyback programs, and pushed for stronger background checks," said Greenwald. "I am proud to have an ally like Governor Murphy working hand in hand with the legislature as we work to end gun violence and ensure New Jersey is a safe place." The bills would do the following: A2761 - Reduce maximum capacity of ammunition magazines to 10 rounds; exempts firearms with .22 caliber tubular magazines from 10 round limitation. A2758 - Codify regulations defining justifiable need to carry handgun. A2757 - Require background check for private gun sales. A2759 - Prohibit possession of ammunition capable of penetrating body armor A2760 - Revise definition of destructive device to include certain weapons of 50 caliber or greater. Attorney General Gurbir Grewal, appearing with Murphy on Tuesday, said "enough is enough" regarding gun massacres. "We're here to put our words into action," he said. "To ensure that our schools, our communities, our workplaces, remain safe from violence, we're here to do what is within our collective power to ensure that the unspeakable horror that took place last week in Parkland, Fla. never repeats itself ever again. So now we're banning all rifle ammunition..? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lakota 342 Posted February 21, 2018 A2759 ... Besides the rest if the text of it which of course is a load of crap ... "h. Stun guns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any stun gun is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree." Didn't we just get this taken care of? now they are trying to add it back in? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted February 21, 2018 24 minutes ago, xXxplosive said: So now we're banning all rifle ammunition..? Of course its common sense. Once this is signed it will eliminate all the bad guns and insure the bad people will not have them anymore. Any fool can see that. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted February 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lakota said: Didn't we just get this taken care of? now they are trying to add it back in? It could be a lawyer's trick. Pile on the mud to exhaust the other side even if you know you're wrong. It all comes down to how much money one side wants to or can pay for defense. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXxplosive 823 Posted February 21, 2018 Maybe he'll catch the Flu..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, xXxplosive said: Maybe he'll catch the Flu..... It's more than him. It's having a one party system. People need to vote. We don't have a fair balance in our state house. If he catches the flu or gets hit by a bus, there'll be another right behind him. He can't do squat without the votes to support him. People need to vote in the upcoming mid terms. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lakota 342 Posted February 21, 2018 Oh I see now ... that H line is already in whatever bill this is, from whenever this bill originally came to be. ... its the crap at the bottom that is the proposed amendments and/or changes. The way they write these things are so cryptic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted February 21, 2018 Possibly yeah. Why else would they put something up there already ruled constitutional? Just to blow smoke. His legal defenses are going to cost us millions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W2MC 1,699 Posted February 21, 2018 I see info from the Gov, info from the Assembly........but where's Sweeney? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muzzelloader69 9 Posted February 21, 2018 we should hold these public officials reliable that when they sign a new gun law into affect , if anything happens they go to jail, because they say we are safer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smokin .50 1,907 Posted February 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, W2MC said: I see info from the Gov, info from the Assembly........but where's Sweeney? ^^^THAT^^^ right there is the MAGIC question my man! For w/o GOD there will be no Bill Signing Party! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence Dogood 468 Posted February 21, 2018 A2759 is limited to handgun ammunition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence Dogood 468 Posted February 21, 2018 By the way, the lawsuit Duncan vs. Becerra is still active (this is California's 10-round limit) and no one in California has turned in any <cough> standard capacity magazines. Becerra (California AG) has just responded to the injunction, you can read it here if you want - http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Duncan-v.-Becerra_Appellants-Reply-Brief-_84.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted February 21, 2018 A2759 is limited to handgun ammunition.Don't we already have a federal law?Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowShu 0 Posted February 21, 2018 Legit question if it passes and goes from 15 to 10, what do you do? How do you get your 15 rd clip to 10? Is that possible? Should I start shopping for 10rd clips? I know there's a gut response of "F" them but realistically what does a legal law abiding NJ citizen do to not get arrested, have to spend tens to hundreds of thousands on lawyers, and not go to jail for this mag round limit BS? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence Dogood 468 Posted February 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, ShadowShu said: Legit question if it passes and goes from 15 to 10, what do you do? How do you get your 15 rd clip to 10? Is that possible? Should I start shopping for 10rd clips? I know there's a gut response of "F" them but realistically what does a legal law abiding NJ citizen do to not get arrested, have to spend tens to hundreds of thousands on lawyers, and not go to jail for this mag round limit BS? Your options will be destroy (render inoperable), sell or turn over to the police chief (specifically) within 180 days. I say we turn them over, one at a time, insisting on a F2F with the chief each time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,262 Posted February 21, 2018 SO THEY WON'T EVEN GIVE OPTION TO MODIFY? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob2222 316 Posted February 21, 2018 15 rounds is kind of an oddball size -- most of my 15 round magazines have been blocked at 15, either by the original manufacturer or by a third party. Not sure why they couldn't go back to the original manufacturer or third party for modification again, but this may not be cost effective. A 10 round Magpul AR mag is $13.95 from Magpul. Occasionally less on Fleabay. IIRC nothing but 10 round magazines were available for purchase (new) during the AWB between 1994 and 2004. I plan to send any outlaw magazines that I might have to Texas. If sanity returns to this state before I leave the state or die, the magazines will be returned to me. (It's a remote possibility, but if Trump replaces 4 SC justices, who knows?) 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T Bill 649 Posted February 21, 2018 ShadowShu, I will politely correct you before someone else does. Learn the difference between clips and magazines. Enough said on that. There will be aftermarket inserts to reduce capacity from 15 to 10. What you do is up to you. Just remember NJ does not honor a magazine with an insert in it that can be taken out. The magazine must be unable to take apart. I believe the CA case is on NJ DA watch list. And, I believe that Sweeney is treading lightly at the moment. Curious what the NJOA thinks of him now? Of course that is NJ FUDD central. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted February 21, 2018 ... The magazine must be unable to take apart...Not true. "Permanently Altered" doesn't mean sealed, ie Est_Ord and Hexmags. Also, Glock 19 mags hold 16 rounds. Splain dat. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reloaderguy 30 Posted February 22, 2018 3 hours ago, BobA said: It's more than him. It's having a one party system. People need to vote. We don't have a fair balance in our state house. If he catches the flu or gets hit by a bus, there'll be another right behind him. He can't do squat without the votes to support him. People need to vote in the upcoming mid terms. They do vote. Majority of residents are democratic so that's who wins. 1 hour ago, ShadowShu said: Legit question if it passes and goes from 15 to 10, what do you do? How do you get your 15 rd clip to 10? Is that possible? Should I start shopping for 10rd clips? I know there's a gut response of "F" them but realistically what does a legal law abiding NJ citizen do to not get arrested, have to spend tens to hundreds of thousands on lawyers, and not go to jail for this mag round limit BS? If it passes my 15 rounders don't go anywhere. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reloaderguy 30 Posted February 22, 2018 32 minutes ago, T Bill said: ShadowShu, I will politely correct you before someone else does. Learn the difference between clips and magazines. Enough said on that. There will be aftermarket inserts to reduce capacity from 15 to 10. What you do is up to you. Just remember NJ does not honor a magazine with an insert in it that can be taken out. The magazine must be unable to take apart. I believe the CA case is on NJ DA watch list. And, I believe that Sweeney is treading lightly at the moment. Curious what the NJOA thinks of him now? Of course that is NJ FUDD central. Sure they do. HexMags are perfectly legal and they have a letter from the State Police that says that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted February 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, reloaderguy said: 4 hours ago, BobA said: They do vote. Majority of residents are democratic so that's who wins. Only 27% of registrated Republican voters turned out for the Governor’s election. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reloaderguy 30 Posted February 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, BobA said: Only 27% of registrated Republican voters turned out for the Governor’s election. Makes no difference. Democrats out number republicans in New Germany. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, reloaderguy said: They do vote. Majority of residents are democratic so that's who wins. No... the magority is independent. And only 30% voted , @ 18% for Murphy.. 30% is an F no matter how hard you scale it. 18% is fricken pathetic, nauseating 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,773 Posted February 22, 2018 I will never turn in anything I bought to anyone, ever, even with 100% reimbursement (corrected). And that ain't gonna happen. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted February 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, reloaderguy said: Makes no difference. Democrats out number republicans in New Germany. All of the dems aren’t voting either. We need the republican turnout. What we don’t need is the “we’ll never make it” “we’re all gonna die” crap. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, BobA said: All of the dems aren’t voting either. We need the republican turnout. What we don’t need is the “we’ll never make it” “we’re all gonna die” crap. Nj voter apathy ranks at the bottom. ” They are all corrupt , makes no difference “ if I had a nickel for everytime I’ve heard that.. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,773 Posted February 22, 2018 4 hours ago, xXxplosive said: Maybe he'll catch the Flu..... Or a young child as he looks like Pervert! If you see the Greenwald or Weinberg, you know it's evil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites